07-28-2018, 12:55 PM
|
#11 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Elmira, NY
Posts: 1,789
Thanks: 320
Thanked 357 Times in 298 Posts
|
I am thinking about bonding my left over aluminum flashing to some 1/2" foam insulation.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Grant-53 For This Useful Post:
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
07-28-2018, 01:24 PM
|
#12 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,267
Thanks: 24,392
Thanked 7,360 Times in 4,760 Posts
|
Evo-II wing
The wing is placed 'up' into 'clean' air, ala 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona.Placing the wing in clean air provides the desired downforce with the minimum-sized wing (minimum drag).
And it is for downforce,not drag reduction.
The Ford of Cologne,Germany' bi-wing was wind tunnel tested,and patented.I believe it was good for delta -Cd 0.02.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
|
|
|
07-28-2018, 02:20 PM
|
#13 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,544
Thanks: 8,086
Thanked 8,878 Times in 7,327 Posts
|
IMHO you don't need the towel-rack, something more like the Auto 2000 Concept.
Aerocivic - how to drop your Cd from 0.31 to 0.17
I have some thoughts on how to make a compound curve with sheets of clear plastic.
__________________
.
.Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster
____________________
.
.Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
|
|
07-29-2018, 10:08 PM
|
#14 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Apprentice
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Fort Myers Fl
Posts: 113
Thanks: 111
Thanked 50 Times in 43 Posts
|
I am considering some ideas from aerocivic, including double side skirts with a boattail behind the rear.
I am going the current direction with the rear treatment as I plan to drag an engine-less 1999 slk230 a few hundred miles on a converted boat trailer.
I've considered removing the windshield for less frontal area on the towed vehicle since it's a convertible. I'm hoping I can build some fairings and maybe a boat tail on the trailer, but I've got a bit of work to make it road worthy, let alone extras.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to razordave For This Useful Post:
|
|
07-29-2018, 10:59 PM
|
#15 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Apprentice
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Fort Myers Fl
Posts: 113
Thanks: 111
Thanked 50 Times in 43 Posts
|
I came across a nifty enclosed car hauler project, but can't load the linked photos.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post436708
It could be my internet connection, but if anyone else has these stowed away?
I'm thinking something a little less permanent for my project since it will probably only be used for this car once.
Probably end up with some plywood, some coroplast, some aluminum flashing? Whatever I can scrounge free/ cheap.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to razordave For This Useful Post:
|
|
07-30-2018, 12:10 AM
|
#16 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,544
Thanks: 8,086
Thanked 8,878 Times in 7,327 Posts
|
Photobucket hosting has it's problems. If you can see the pictures (I can) you could screen capture and re-up them, since they won't embed; but why bother.
If you cobble something together to hit the freeway, top it with a net or orange emergency fencing or something.
__________________
.
.Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster
____________________
.
.Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
|
|
|
08-13-2018, 07:12 PM
|
#17 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ghettoville, USA
Posts: 251
Rebellion - '16 KMX Framekit Custom electric velomobile
Thanks: 149
Thanked 187 Times in 112 Posts
|
I have a 300 SDL. They can take a lot of abuse. Their fuel economy on the highway is excellent for such a behemoth of the time period, as it is competitive with modern cars of similar size(city fuel economy isn't all that great).
When I put some Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max tires on mine, I was getting roughly 31 mpg @ 70 mph. Before the LRR tires, it got 30 mpg @ 70 mph. When the turbo failed, it dropped to 28 mpg @ 70 mph.
With regard to the W126 Auto 2000 concept mentioned earlier in this topic:
https://www.motor1.com/news/137525/c...des-auto-2000/
Quote:
Not only did its design preview what was to come in the following years, but the low-slung body was also aerodynamically optimized as the concept had a drag coefficient of just 0.28.
To meet the fuel economy goal, the Auto 2000 concept needed more than just a sleek body. That’s why Mercedes’ engineers came up with three frugal powertrain solutions. The first one was a V8 3.8-liter gasoline engine fitted with cylinder deactivation technology, which as you can imagine was quite the novelty back then. Whenever the engine’s full power was not necessary, half of the cylinders were temporarily shut down to save precious fuel.
The next proposal for an economical engine was a six-cylinder 3.3-liter diesel that had two turbochargers. It granted the Auto 2000 with an “exemplary accelerating power” and needed only 7.5 liters / 100 km (31.3 mpg) while the car was doing 75 mph (120 kph) based on Mercedes’ testing procedures.
|
The stock drag coefficient for a 300 SDL is 0.36.
This should give you an overall idea of what is possible, if you decide to go with twin turbos. You may need to upgrade the injector pump with larger threads as well otherwise the engine will never see more than 175 horsepower.
This being said, it is possible to turn the 300 SDL into a 300+ horsepower luxury cruiser that gets 31 mpg at 75 mph. Running this on biofuels would be interesting.
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to The Toecutter For This Useful Post:
|
|
08-14-2018, 01:24 PM
|
#18 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,544
Thanks: 8,086
Thanked 8,878 Times in 7,327 Posts
|
I'm curious about Permalink #15. Were you pointing to that post for the trailer or the tow vehicle?
A trailer is a whole another thing, but the tow vehicle appears to be a Mercedes. So how about combining the two into a Tropfenwagen boat tail?
Here is the idea applied to a VW Beetle:
Put wheelie bars under the back of the boat tail.
__________________
.
.Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster
____________________
.
.Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
|
|
12-06-2018, 01:59 AM
|
#19 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Apprentice
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Fort Myers Fl
Posts: 113
Thanks: 111
Thanked 50 Times in 43 Posts
|
The plastic under bumper didn't fare too well.
I basically stole big dave's idea for an air dam when I came across a thirty some inch wide piece of smooth rubber conveyor belt.
With the 30 inch tires that were on the car at the time, the new air dam was 2 inches from the road surface. This did cause quite a bit more contact than with the plastic which wore substantially until it was roughly 3.5 inches up and then it just broke.
I have since changed over to a shorter tire and the air dam is even closer which doesn't seem to be any more of a problem, but I have been strongly contemplating Freebeard's comments on post #10 about a central jet.
If you check out this link with high definition photos of a later model c class, you can see that Rennsport has implemented a front bumper that, to me; looks like what Freebeard has described.
https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/ats...t-tourenwagen/
I also really like the fender venting behind the front tires. I was very much considering a total radius of that edge as listed in the wiki and on the dodge m4s prototype https://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts...-Ackerman.html
I'll get you guys some photos of the air dam in it's current state and try to ms paint my wanted mods to get some feed back before I take the knife to it.
I also removed the factory plastic rocker panel cover and made a side skirt of the same rubber conveyor belt. I need to fabricate a block off for the hole I made for the exhaust that I had for a short time just in front of the rear wheel, so forgive me that atrocity.
photos added to post #1
Last edited by razordave; 12-06-2018 at 02:29 AM..
|
|
|
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to razordave For This Useful Post:
|
|
12-06-2018, 06:41 PM
|
#20 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Belgium
Posts: 4,683
Thanks: 178
Thanked 652 Times in 516 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by kach22i
|
Mmmmm
A lot of air is coming out sideways between the wheels on ordinary road cars
__________________
Strayed to the Dark Diesel Side
|
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to euromodder For This Useful Post:
|
|
|