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Old 10-30-2020, 05:36 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Morality and intelligence

Why is it that two brilliant minds can completely disagree on a moral topic ?
I would think as a person becomes more intelligent, some morality topics would become agreed upon once you reached a certain level of reasoning.

I think I recall reading that some serial killers are actually quite intelligent, yet they don't see inflicting pain and suffering as something wrong.

And this would be something you would think of as being common sense.

There are so many brilliant minds here on the forum, yet I still see disagreements on morality.

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Old 10-30-2020, 06:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Morality is subjective, relative. It cannot be quantified. No 'MORALIMETER.'
Laying off 25% of a workforce during a downturn, to sweeten a first-quarter, corporate profit statement, while simultaneously sending the laid off into bankruptcy, foreclosure, and destitution is a quantifiable business practice with a high certainty of success within the cold calculus of the business universe. Those who can behave this way are highly rewarded. And highly sought after.
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More like darwinism at play. Is it better to lay off 25% of a workforce and keep the business, or lay off 100% of the workforce months later when the business is no more? Those that don't tend to business no longer have one to tend to.
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Back to the original question?

There are many ways of characterizing what it is to be human. Some that I favor would be Robt. Anton Wilson's 'reality tunnels'. Everyone is on a path and sometimes those paths run parallel, sometimes obtuse, and as we have seen on the forum sometimes it's a circle-eight race.

Another valid perspective IMHO would be John C. Lilly's Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_biocomputer
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The term human biocomputer, coined by John C. Lilly, refers to the "hardware" of the human anatomy. This would include the brain, internal organs, and other human organ systems such as cardiovascular, digestive, endocrine, immune, integumentary, lymphatic, muscular, nervous, reproductive, respiratory, skeletal, and urinary systems. The biocomputer has stored program properties, and self-metaprogramming properties, with limits determinable and to be determined.[1]
It's way beyond a mind-brain dichotomy. There're eleven levels.

Then there's 2-axes the Political/Moral compass test. Here you will find mention of 4-axes and 9-axes test I hadn't heard of. AI is using million-axes models.
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I think some people can't see much beyond the immediate, more tangible things in life that require attention. They don't "waste time" on abstract stuff. "Someone controls things anyway." Jerky people might call them "sheeple."

Then there's people that intake narrow and/or shallow information/viewpoints.

Some people can't handle challenging their beliefs.

Everyone is damaged. A small percentage of people lash out due to their issues.

They say we run mostly on less-than-conscious thoughts and feelings.

I'm going to start a thread on my biggest moral test: What makes it acceptable to bomb people and places?

And frankly, I think most people can't make a solid argument.

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some morality topics would become agreed upon once you reached a certain level of reasoning.
Different outlooks, different assumptions, different interpretations. To take one case for example, both sides are actually pro-life. I disagree with some of the conclusions and their inherent contradictions, but I do respect the moral position that they come from.

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I'm going to start a thread on my biggest moral test: What makes it acceptable to bomb people and places?
Disputes and violence exist in life at every level, and you're drawing an arbitrary line. When you scale up the number of people involved, the disagreements and methods of settling them also get scaled up. The key is to use as little violence as you can, but even traffic laws and zoning regulations have coercive penalties behind them.
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Disputes and violence exist in life at every level, and you're drawing an arbitrary line. When you scale up the number of people involved, the disagreements and methods of settling them also get scaled up. The key is to use as little violence as you can, but even traffic laws and zoning regulations have coercive penalties behind them.
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How did that work for you?

October is so long ago. Now the news is full of GTP-3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT-3
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Generative Pre-trained Transformer 3 is an autoregressive language model that uses deep learning to produce human-like text. It is the third-generation language prediction model in the GPT-n series created by OpenAI, a non-profit San Francisco-based artificial intelligence research laboratory
Open Ai is a creation of Elon Musk with others, annd is co-housed in a vintage building in San Fransisco with Neuralink. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI Although it's been captured by Microsoft, you have to give Microsoft some slack now that Steve Balmer is gone. The kind of person who writes code for fun has a new sandbox:

https://gpt3examples.com/#examples
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Did I hear someone say robot overlords?..... The wisdom of Solomon? Careful what you wish for?

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