Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-06-2022, 02:00 AM   #111 (permalink)
Ecomodding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: england
Posts: 308
Thanks: 43
Thanked 130 Times in 111 Posts
It seems that member title is awarded by post quantity not content...

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 10-06-2022, 10:02 AM   #112 (permalink)
Somewhat crazed
 
Piotrsko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: 1826 miles WSW of Normal
Posts: 4,369
Thanks: 528
Thanked 1,193 Times in 1,053 Posts
You might change it to some personal message like I did but I forget how. It's in the User CP but could be a minimum amount of posts and I have found a lot of options here are browser dependent. Worse case use chrome as a default.
__________________
casual notes from the underground:There are some "experts" out there that in reality don't have a clue as to what they are doing.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2022, 12:48 PM   #113 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,267
Thanks: 24,392
Thanked 7,360 Times in 4,760 Posts
'thumbnails'

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan jones View Post
..

N.b And I'm not a Master ecomodder, who changes this??!!
* You'll be a 'master' soon enough!
* With the two images and 'qualitative' results:
It seems like the left image should depict a 'full' square-back wake, encompassing the entire rear of the structure.
The image to the right seems reasonable enough to a point.
The separated flow would arc down along a virtual 'golf ball' path, then, when it reached beyond 22-degrees of downslope, 'explode' into turbulence.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2022, 02:04 PM   #114 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,544
Thanks: 8,086
Thanked 8,879 Times in 7,328 Posts
I'll repeat the question.



Is the ground plane to the left? Is it a centerline section? What gives?
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-06-2022)
Old 10-06-2022, 04:10 PM   #115 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,267
Thanks: 24,392
Thanked 7,360 Times in 4,760 Posts
wake

the wake for the shape on the left should look like this,
http://https://ecomodder.com/forum/m...here-money.jpg
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	member-aerohead-albums-other+vehicles+1-picture122-smoke-fills-wolfsburg-windtunnel-show-us-wher.jpg
Views:	10
Size:	34.6 KB
ID:	32918  
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2022, 05:11 PM   #116 (permalink)
Ecomodding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: england
Posts: 308
Thanks: 43
Thanked 130 Times in 111 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotrsko View Post
You might change it to some personal message like I did but I forget how. It's in the User CP but could be a minimum amount of posts and I have found a lot of options here are browser dependent. Worse case use chrome as a default.
Thanks, I tried but it means filling stuff out, when I've got time I will do it
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2022, 05:13 PM   #117 (permalink)
Ecomodding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: england
Posts: 308
Thanks: 43
Thanked 130 Times in 111 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
I'll repeat the question.



Is the ground plane to the left? Is it a centerline section? What gives?
Not everything is free. Try creating your own cfd enviroment, model some ideas and share them around
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Nathan jones For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-06-2022)
Old 10-06-2022, 05:24 PM   #118 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,267
Thanks: 24,392
Thanked 7,360 Times in 4,760 Posts
ground plane

Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
I'll repeat the question.



Is the ground plane to the left? Is it a centerline section? What gives?
1) The ground plane is out of sight, below the two images.
2) Flow is from the left, to right.
3) It may be 2-dimensional flow. Don't know.
4) For the left image, it's right ( downwind ) surface should be in total turbulence.
5) It's similar to the original Ahmed body on stilts, from around 1982.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to aerohead For This Useful Post:
freebeard (10-06-2022)
Old 10-06-2022, 05:24 PM   #119 (permalink)
Ecomodding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: england
Posts: 308
Thanks: 43
Thanked 130 Times in 111 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by aerohead View Post
* You'll be a 'master' soon enough!
* With the two images and 'qualitative' results:
It seems like the left image should depict a 'full' square-back wake, encompassing the entire rear of the structure.
The image to the right seems reasonable enough to a point.
The separated flow would arc down along a virtual 'golf ball' path, then, when it reached beyond 22-degrees of downslope, 'explode' into turbulence.
Thanks, but the hardest work was not done by me. I just used it for my car, and I think they do work for already laminar flat areas.

A small improvement, surface area, mass and driving style still hold far more areas for increased efficiency.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Nathan jones For This Useful Post:
aerohead (10-06-2022)
Old 10-06-2022, 05:39 PM   #120 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 16,267
Thanks: 24,392
Thanked 7,360 Times in 4,760 Posts
'for already laminar areas'

It does seem to be the case.
The only explanation I can come up with is that, the dimples 'DO' act as some form of VG, creating a lower local pressure along the 'boundary'.
With respect to the Mythbusters Ford sedan, they were able to induce the turbulent boundary layer to remain attached a bit better, minimizing the existing separation bubble, allowing enhanced flow reattachment, with higher pressure at the inevitable separation line.
Base pressure was slightly increased.
Pressure drag decreased.
Total drag reduced.

__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread




Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hexagonal Dimples as a way to improve aerodynamics Palionu Aerodynamics 29 10-27-2009 01:39 AM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com