new feature idea: battery voltage

[meelis11]

Hi,
has this idea been discussed before? At least I haven't seen it.
Anyway, I would like to see battery voltage in MPGuino and started searching how to measure 12V battery voltage (max should be 15V I think) and found this link and some other voltage divider pages.
http://www.clarenceho.net:8123/blog/...test-voltmeter

I am going to build it, probably It even does not need extra input to mpguino - I am going to measure 12V input voltage before voltage regulator. Voltage regulator signal would be used as Vref
extra parts needed: 2 resistors and some wire :P
I am choosing resistors to make divide-by-three divider, so signal to atmega input is 0-5V
What ohms should I choose? 10K and more I think?

Also I am going to add coolant temperature to this screen (needs extra input pin) along with liters/hour and RPM
new screen will be "Car sensors" or similar.

Meelis

[bobski]

An alt with a bad voltage regulator can hit 20V+. That doesn't happen often, but it would suck to add your 'duino to the repair bill. I would go for divide-by-5 at least. That should give you a 0-25V range with 0.024V steps. Way more precision than necessary.

[meelis11]

Update: My mpguino is showing battery voltage

[FalconFour]

Congrats! Care to share some pics for us drooling geeks?

[meelis11]

I can make some pics to show how it is installed but meanwhile that battery voltage is not hard to imagine how it shows on LCD display.
It is like "V 12.21"

I have modified format function to replace leading zeroes with spaces - instead "012.34" it shows " 12.34"

[Joenavy85]

Originally Posted by bobski

An alt with a bad voltage regulator can hit 20V+. That doesn't happen often, but it would suck to add your 'duino to the repair bill. I would go for divide-by-5 at least. That should give you a 0-25V range with 0.024V steps. Way more precision than necessary.

i would suspect that if the voltage regulator went out that this mod wouldn't really matter, your just modifying it to display the voltage, it would still be exposed to a voltage spike even if it didn't display it

[bobski]

Originally Posted by Joenavy85

it would still be exposed to a voltage spike even if it didn't display it

Yes, it would see the increased voltage on the power supply connections, but that would be taken care of by the MPGuino's on board voltage regulator. It's a simple linear regulator so the excess voltage would be dissipated as heat. The additional heat could still cause problems, but it wouldn't immediately damage anything.
The inputs on the other hand are unregulated and designed for TTL-level input - 0 to 5V. A divide-by-3 voltage divider would turn that range into 0-15 volts, which a malfunctioning alternator can exceed. It's entirely possible the inputs can handle voltages in that range without damage, but if we can avoid such an occurrence by simply choosing different resistor values, why take the chance?

[glug]

I think this is a great idea. My old truck sometimes likes to energize the fuel pump just for fun, and it drains the battery. It'd be nice to get some warning when it is in that "mood".

I can imagine unwelcome potential consequences from coupling the raw 12v to the analog inputs of the arduino. I'm not sure voltage dividers would be sufficient. I also want to minimize pin use, and I'd like to free up some pins from the original design.

Thinking about features...

I can see two voltages that would be useful - The running voltage, which would reflect alternator output, etc (call it "running volts", RV). And the lowest voltage from the battery while the vehicle was off ("cold volts", CV).

The CV code would need to ignore the drop in voltage that occurs at startup.

An option could be added to display CV at startup. Maybe it would periodically flash on the display for the first 60 seconds after startup, reducing in frequency over time, and also display on a diag screen?

We might have an option to store the average RV, and flash an alert if it seems low?

It might be neat to have optional code to track a voltage drain over time by monitoring CV. So we might monitor the decrease in CV per hour, and report a voltage drop per hour, or per day.

[UFO]

Originally Posted by bobski

Yes, it would see the increased voltage on the power supply connections, but that would be taken care of by the MPGuino's on board voltage regulator. It's a simple linear regulator so the excess voltage would be dissipated as heat. The additional heat could still cause problems, but it wouldn't immediately damage anything.
The inputs on the other hand are unregulated and designed for TTL-level input - 0 to 5V. A divide-by-3 voltage divider would turn that range into 0-15 volts, which a malfunctioning alternator can exceed. It's entirely possible the inputs can handle voltages in that range without damage, but if we can avoid such an occurrence by simply choosing different resistor values, why take the chance?

Just clamp the input pins to the power rail with diodes. Then you set your divider to what you need for nominal operation.

[bobski]

Originally Posted by UFO

Just clamp the input pins to the power rail with diodes.

Sounds safe. :/
Maybe if you use high value resistors for your divider. Low values might pass enough current to out-feed the power regulator. If the regulator can basically run backwards, that might not be a problem. If it can't, you'll end up with greater than 5V as VCC.
Also, the forward bias voltage of the diode would mean the input hits 5.7 volts (or so, depending on the diode) before it starts clamping down.