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Old 05-15-2009, 12:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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New rules encourage PEHV aftermarket in California

I am posting this for the benefit of some of the really bright people who enjoy delving into control systems and are willing to share what they know with the rest of us dummies. Let me add that I really admire what the California Air Resources Board has accomplished and, like it or not, the world follows their design. So there is no point in grousing. At any rate, PEHV will be one of the easier aftermarket opportunities out there for tinkerers with dreams of going commercial - and the ARB, if you read carefully, will allow you TEN on-road prototypes for testing and evaluation, then another 90 to get it right. That works for me. - Ptero

CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY
AIR RESOURCES BOARD SUPPLEMENTAL STAFF REPORT:
PROPOSED RULEMAKING FOR PLUG-IN HYBRID-ELECTRIC VEHICLES
MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPOSED AFTERMARKET PARTS CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/suppisor.pdf


HEARING ACTION AND SUPPLEMENTAL 15-DAY NOTICES

Posted May 12, 2009

Appendix B: Modified Proposed Language for Aftermarket Parts Certification of Off-Vehicle Charge Capable Hybrid-Electric Vehicles http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevapxb.pdf


Posted April 17, 2009

Notice of Continuation
Resolution 09-6

Attachment A: Proposed Regulation Order http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappa.pdf
Attachment B: Proposed Amendments to the Passenger Car Exhaust Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappb.pdf
Attachment C: Propsed Amendments To The Hybrid Exhaust Test Procedures MY 2005 Through 2008 http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappc.pdf
Attachment E: Proposed Amendments to the Evaporative Emission Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappe.pdf
Attachment F: Proposed Amendments to the On Road Vapor Recovery Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappf.pdf
Attachment G: Proposed Modifications to the Staff Proposals http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/attachg.pdf



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PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND RELATED MATERIAL

Posted December 5, 2008

Notice of Public Hearing http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevnot.pdf

Staff Report: Initial Statement of Reasons (ISOR) http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevisor.pdf

Appendix A: Proposed Regulation Order http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappa.pdf
Appendix B: Proposed Amendments to the Passenger Car Exhaust Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappb.pdf
Appendix C: Propsed Amendments To The Hybrid Exhaust Test Procedures MY 2005 Through 2008
Appendix D: Proposed Amendments To The Hybrid Exhaust Test Procedures MY 2009 and Subsequent http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappd.pdf
Appendix E: Proposed Amendments to the Evaporative Emission Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappe.pdf
Appendix F: Proposed Amendments to the On Road Vapor Recovery Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappf.pdf
Appendix G: Proposed Language for Aftermarket Parts Certification of Off-Vehicle Charge Capable Hybrid-Electric Vehicles http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappg.pdf
Appendix H: Technical Support Document for Proposed Amendments Related to Exhaust Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevapph.pdf
Appendix I: Technical Support Document for Proposed Amendments Related to Evaporative and Onboard Refueling and Vapor Recovery Test Procedures http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappi.pdf
Appendix J: On Board Diagnostics (OBD) Considerations for Aftermarket PHEV Conversion Systems http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappj.pdf
Appendix K: Technical Support Document for Economic Impacts http://www.arb.ca.gov/regact/2008/phev09/phevappk.pdf


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Old 05-15-2009, 12:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Ptero,

Wow...that's alot of red tape but with any new product I guess it's necessary. Thanks for the info.

So I cruised your profile and fuel log and have a couple questions...

1. Why are you not hypermiling thru Jan. 15? Just curious (guessing you're not keeping a fuel log after Jan. 15 either so it doesn't skew your numbers when you're actually hypermiling).

2. For your vehicle mods...can you post a pic of the springloaded bird thingy? This has to be the most resourceful and odd FE instrument I've ever heard of...that's awesome!

"I use a handheld anemometer to determine the optimum mpg speed. I do not use a tach or Scangauge. I have mounted a flowerpot bird with springloaded wings on the front cowling to indicate turbulence, wind speed, wind direction and drafting sweet spot."
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When hypermiling figures are meaningful

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1. Why are you not hypermiling thru Jan. 15? Just curious (guessing you're not keeping a fuel log after Jan. 15 either so it doesn't skew your numbers when you're actually hypermiling).

2. For your vehicle mods...can you post a pic of the springloaded bird thingy? This has to be the most resourceful and odd FE instrument I've ever heard of...that's awesome!

"I use a handheld anemometer to determine the optimum mpg speed. I do not use a tach or Scangauge. I have mounted a flowerpot bird with springloaded wings on the front cowling to indicate turbulence, wind speed, wind direction and drafting sweet spot."
Hi Matt,

When I am hypermiling, I can get pretty fanatic. I seek out roads that allow me to go maybe 35 and I'll drive a long distance at that speed just to evaluate the vehicle's mpg performance. I have kind of an engineering attitude when I do this, thanks to some ME in college, which gets pretty purist. It's not really practical for most of us.

This logging stuff is meaningful only in the relative segments. You need a segment for agressive hypermiling and a segment for driving in traffic and a segment for goal or out and return on a time schedule. It gets so complex that nobody is going to go to all the trouble to record it.

What we end up with on all these mpg logs is a compromise that weights the drivers passion for hypermiling against the vehicle's performance. And since it's a sliding scale, different for each driver, the accuracy always falls withinn a range of error that is difficult to detemine. Still, we can tell a lot from these logs - but my attitude is to not record trips where I am not hypermiling.

For instance, I took a sick person from Los Angeles to a doctor in Phoenix in the summer of 2008 in my Smart. This was not a hypermiling trip. The temperature was 108. I drove 70 mph with the air conditioning on. I think we averaged 42 mpg. Now, if I apply that against my hypermiling scores, where I'm trying to get the best mileage out of the Smart, it brings down my mpg. That does not make sense.

So an mpg log will ask "What is the lifetime mpg of your car?" That is meaningless. The answer reflects various social imperatives of the driver, which has nothing to do with the evaluation of high mpg that we are studying on this site.

In January I took a trip with my daughter from southern California to the Oregon coast, then down Hy 1, hypermiling with the bird. A beautiful trip. We blasted up to Oregon and hypermiled down the coast. It was wonderful. On Hy 1, I think we spent more on coffee than gasoline. http://www.newplague.org/Flash/output.htm

I can tell that you are one savvy guy to bring up the bird. The bird is hands down the best hypermiling instrument I have ever found. And I am a guy who has professionally run pyrometers, exhaust temp gauges, vacuum gauges, turbo boost gauges, instaneous mpg flow meters and even ridiculous crazy **** to try to find the magic bullet. But the truth is, once you get to 30 mph, what really plays with your efficiency performance is the wind vector. The bird tells you both the wind velocity and the vector. No other instrument does. As a soaring pilot for many years, I am fascinated by the bird.

The way you mount the bird is very important. You want the wings to cut the airflow perfectly at 30 mph. Above that, they should start to rise. In a crosswind vector, they will lean leeward. In draft, they will open. In headwind, they will close sooner than in still air. In a tailwind (grin) they will stay open far longer than normal. The bird is your friend. Do the bird.

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