New tax on EVs

[Piotrsko]

IMHO electric cars will become practical when range anxiety stops. Same scenario back in the 20's with airtravel. 1850's with iron horses.

Still looking for my flying car and chicken in every pot.

I drive the ranger 15 k miles a year. If it actually fixes the potholes, them I will gladly pay a tax. So far the head of the state road division makes 5 X what I make. That is a lot of hot mix.

[oil pan 4]

I agree.
If there was a pot hole tax where they actually took the money paid in and fixed pot holes I would gladly pay it.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

... Anyway, unless some major improvement is done to the electric grid to fulfill the increasing demand from EVs and battery charging becomes as quick as filling a gasoline tank, I wouldn't hold my breath for electric cars to become mainstream so soon.

Most of the increased demand from EV's is actually beneficial for utilities because it happens at night when demand is low and they have plenty of extra capacity.

The time to "fill the tank" is irrelevant as the car charges while I'm sleeping. I'm not waiting for it to charge. I get out, plug it in, come out the next morning to a fully charged car. It is MUCH more convenient to charge my EV then to fill my other vehicles with gasoline. For my gas cars I have to go out of my way to go to the station, wait in line, and then wait to fill the tank.

EVs will go mainstream when the price come down a bit more and when more people have actually driven an EV and see the superior driving experience firsthand.

[freebeard]

oil pan 4 — http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...les-34976.html

IMHO electric cars will become practical when range anxiety stops.

I get range anxiety burning clear premium.

I heard a (probably apocryphal) story about a framer and his wife who decided to trade their horse for one of those new-fangled brass-era automobiles. When it ran out of gas they decided it was a mistake and put it up on blocks.

Many years later: Barn-find!

[Fingie]

Here in finland it was calculated, that if we replaced ALL our roadgoing cars overnight to ev and mainly used nighttime electricity to charge the cars, we would "only" need more grid capacity, equivalent of a nuclear reactor, about 900-1000MW.

And we have more reactors to be planned and investments in wind power, yaayy!

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Fingie

Here in finland it was calculated, that if we replaced ALL our roadgoing cars overnight to ev and mainly used nighttime electricity to charge the cars, we would "only" need more grid capacity, equivalent of a nuclear reactor, about 900-1000MW.

And we have more reactors to be planned and investments in wind power, yaayy!

The situation in the USA is very similar. If I recall correctly we can cover about 85% of a complete switch to EVs with our current grid if the charging is done at night. Of course a switch to EVs won't happen overnight so we will have plenty of time to make any needed upgrades.

One big issue in the USA is that we don't have one electrical grid. Electrical power in the USA is provided by a combination of 3306 different electrical utilities. http://www.publicpower.org/files/PDF...Statistics.pdf

[Fingie]

Originally Posted by JSH

One big issue in the USA is that we don't have one electrical grid. Electrical power in the USA is provided by a combination of 3306 different electrical utilities.

Yeah, we have the National grid. Makes everyhting more fail-safer, because everything is in a loop here. Harder to blow out.

[freebeard]

Do these calculations take into account people willfully choosing to invest in new and re-roofing that is more durable and incidentally will charge a car locally without any interaction with a/the grid?

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Not sure if those calculations take into account the investment on off-the-grid power generation, presumably it doesn't anyway.

Originally Posted by Fingie

Yeah, we have the National grid. Makes everyhting more fail-safer, because everything is in a loop here. Harder to blow out.

We have a national grid in Brazil too, but it's actually more fail-prone than fail-safe.

[oil pan 4]

So the power grid is too big to fail?
Ha!