Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Fossil Fuel Free
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-28-2015, 07:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
In the fasting lane
 
RedDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Posts: 3,764

Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance
Team Honda
90 day: 55.71 mpg (US)

It - '09 Hyundai I10 Active Cool
Team Hyundai
90 day: 29.19 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,536
Thanked 2,065 Times in 1,328 Posts
New Tesla factory has an indoor test track

Tesla has recently started the assembly of the Model S for the European market in its new factory in Tilburg, the Netherlands.


It is not much of an assembly though.
The rear engine sub-frame and batteries are shipped separately for safety reasons, but the paint and interior were done in the USA. What still needs to be done is the joining of the frame and pack to the car, wheels on, fluids fill and all round system test.
Yet this greatly enhances Tesla's capacity to deliver cars over Europe.

Key feature of the plant is its indoor test track:


Quote:
... Teslas rumble across teeth-rattling Belgian pavé, before hitting 110kph – just over 60mph – down the back straight.

'Not many manufacturers have a test track inside!' jokes Gilbert Passin, VP of manufacturing in Tilburg and Fremont. 'We have no emissions so it's easy for us, and it gives us consistent, dry conditions.'

__________________
2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut.
lifetime FE over 0.16 Gmeter or 0.1 Mmile.



COVID-19: Some people just don't get it.

Last edited by RedDevil; 09-29-2015 at 04:10 AM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to RedDevil For This Useful Post:
NeilBlanchard (09-28-2015), niky (09-29-2015), pgfpro (09-28-2015), Xist (09-28-2015)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 09-29-2015, 07:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 8,310
Thanks: 0
Thanked 904 Times in 800 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDevil View Post
It is not much of an assembly though.
The rear engine sub-frame and batteries are shipped separately for safety reasons, but the paint and interior were done in the USA. What still needs to be done is the joining of the frame and pack to the car, wheels on, fluids fill and all round system test.
I would hardly consider such a CKD assembly line as a properly-said factory.


Quote:
Yet this greatly enhances Tesla's capacity to deliver cars over Europe
Does it decrease the expense with import duties or the marine freight costs of the parts shipped from the United States?
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 07:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
In the fasting lane
 
RedDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Posts: 3,764

Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance
Team Honda
90 day: 55.71 mpg (US)

It - '09 Hyundai I10 Active Cool
Team Hyundai
90 day: 29.19 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,536
Thanked 2,065 Times in 1,328 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr View Post
Does it decrease the expense with import duties or the marine freight costs of the parts shipped from the United States?
The special measures needed to transport high-voltage battery packs makes it worthwhile to transport those separately from the cars.
The packs need to be kept alive too - if they are in the car too long without being charged they would deteriorate.

The batteryless Model S bodies now ship in sea freight containers in foursomes.
I bet it is much cheaper to do it this way.
__________________
2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut.
lifetime FE over 0.16 Gmeter or 0.1 Mmile.



COVID-19: Some people just don't get it.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 08:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 8,310
Thanks: 0
Thanked 904 Times in 800 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedDevil View Post
The special measures needed to transport high-voltage battery packs makes it worthwhile to transport those separately from the cars.
The packs need to be kept alive too - if they are in the car too long without being charged they would deteriorate.
It sounds complicated, but seems to justify the process.


Quote:
The batteryless Model S bodies now ship in sea freight containers in foursomes.
I bet it is much cheaper to do it this way.
Wouldn't still make more sense to have the bodyshells made in Europe instead?
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2015, 07:08 PM   #5 (permalink)
...beats walking...
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: .
Posts: 6,191
Thanks: 179
Thanked 1,521 Times in 1,122 Posts
Cost of shipping is FAR less than the cost of (a) manufacturing facility plus (b) manufacturing employees. Especially if TESLA has designed everything as "plug-n-play" assembly...just bolt the parts together, plug-in the connectors, test...and, wash & wax.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gone-ot For This Useful Post:
RedDevil (09-30-2015)
Old 09-29-2015, 09:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
EV convert
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 8,872

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 212
Thanked 2,918 Times in 2,278 Posts
If you look closely the track appears to be paved with tax payer dollars.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to oil pan 4 For This Useful Post:
RedDevil (09-30-2015)
Old 09-30-2015, 02:57 AM   #7 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 328
Thanks: 11
Thanked 79 Times in 54 Posts
Send a message via MSN to markweatherill
That facility opened a couple of years ago to assemble European Model S cars.

Here's a quote from another website as to why...

this is a ‘final assembly‘ facility, meaning they are mostly just re-assembled after leaving Tesla’s Fremont factory in California in order to meet domestic manufacturing/regulatory standards and to avoid extra EU taxation/import tariff rules.

The ‘final assembly‘ process reportedly takes about 2-3 hours per vehicle, but saves about ~10% worth of fees added to the EVs’ pricing. Countries such as Norway and Switzerland do not have these hurdles in place, and thus those vehicles are efficiently shipped complete from the US.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2015, 11:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
EV convert
 
oil pan 4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 8,872

Sub - '84 Chevy Diesel Suburban C10
SUV
90 day: 19.5 mpg (US)

camaro - '85 Chevy Camaro Z28

Riot - '03 Kia Rio POS
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.21 mpg (US)

Bug - '01 VW Beetle GLSturbo
90 day: 26.43 mpg (US)

Sub2500 - '86 GMC Suburban C2500
90 day: 11.95 mpg (US)

Snow flake - '11 Nissan Leaf SL
SUV
90 day: 141.63 mpg (US)
Thanks: 212
Thanked 2,918 Times in 2,278 Posts
We have been giving them money for more than a couple years.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 12:44 PM   #9 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 7,873

Mica Blue - '05 Scion xA RS 2.0
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.48 mpg (US)

Forest - '15 Nissan Leaf S
Team Nissan
90 day: 156.46 mpg (US)

Number 7 - '15 VW e-Golf SEL
TEAM VW AUDI Group
90 day: 155.81 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,386
Thanked 2,883 Times in 1,812 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by oil pan 4 View Post
We have been giving them money for more than a couple years.
Tesla has already paid us back, ahead of schedule.

__________________
Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to NeilBlanchard For This Useful Post:
RedDevil (10-01-2015)
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com