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Old 06-30-2014, 09:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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One synthetic oil manufacturer is advertizing they make theirs from natural gas, but how much would the power grid need to improve to cover 100+ million electric cars.

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One synthetic oil manufacturer is advertizing they make theirs from natural gas, but how much would the power grid need to improve to cover 100+ million electric cars.
The energy to refine a gallon of gasoline can power a Nissan Leaf for about 20-22 miles and we already have a surplus of electricity at night, that is the main reason we have street lights, to use up the night time surplus, so swap the street light on your block to an LED light and swap the most used bulbs in your house to LED and your power company will see a drop in demand even with EV charging.
As it is tho, the grid shouldn't see much change, the Nissan Leaf my parents just got has a 13amp 120v charging cord that they are using, getting a window AC unit will have a larger impact on the grid.
Even if you get a 240v 30amp charging cord it shouldn't have a huge impact unless you are charging at peek times of day and the car has two timers you can set to automatically turn on the on board charger.
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Old 07-01-2014, 01:45 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Duh!...bring back the German WWII synthetic oil production capabilites!
Or bring back an updated version of WWII cellulosic methanol.
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I just had a thought - I could fit two of these in CarBEN EV5.
Will they sell them only for fitment in a Leaf, though? I imagine these being available for fitting only - by Nissan dealers.
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Will they sell them only for fitment in a Leaf, though? I imagine these being available for fitting only - by Nissan dealers.
You can generally buy any part from any dealer's parts department. How could they legally not sell to DIYers? In this case you would have to pay an extra $1000 core charge without a battery core to give them.
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It's a surprisingly low $5,499 (after a $1,000 credit for turning in the old pack, which is required), plus installation fees and tax.
Nissan Leaf New Battery Cost: $5,500 For Replacement With Heat-Resistant Chemistry
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Seems strange. If the core was indeed required, why would they give the core a dollar value at all? You would think they would simply say $5500 and mandatory core return instead of $6500 with a $1000 core credit.

Maybe once these pack replacements are released I shall call my local stealership to find out for sure.
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Yeah, I thought the same thing. My only thought is they're selling them below cost to existing customers. But, in the case, why not just increase the core charge?
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They are working on a 48kWh version. Maybe it would be possible to buy one of those, along with the charger? In a few years, I'm sure I'll have more options, but at least this might be possible. A 35kWh CALB pack would cost more than two 24kWh Leaf packs - about $3,000 more, at least.
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but it would be remiss to not mention the cycle life, which is like 300 for a leaf cell, vs 2000 for a calb cell, so you will be replacing leaf cells 7x as often. Plus more temperature sensitivity in the leaf cells. The lifepo4 really are a lot more bullet proof and well supported in charging/monitoring, and that is all good news for diy'ers.

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