To Perforate or Not To Perforate

[meanderingthemaze]

I am considering a custom tube frame project, from the ground up, and I was planning a belly pan. To save a little weight (maybe not too significant) I was thinking of perforated aluminum sheet metal.

But the question is...is perforated worse aero than totally smooth? I would guess that it is worse, but sometimes things aren't what you'd expect with aeromods.

[XJguy]

No good, would nearly negate it, might actually increase drag.

[Frank Lee]

My semi-edumicated guess would be perforated would be about the worst aero thing you could use there.

[smck]

You could cover the perforations with a thin sheet of plastic.

[lunarhighway]

i assume the bellypan itself isn't structural and therefor if you want to save weight, just use thinner aluminum... i've used very thin aluminum on mine and it holds up perfectly. or perhaps some kind of fabric like on ww1 aircraft could work(although that might come out heavier than the thinest aluminum) corrugated plastic is as always a good idea too.

i'm not sure what the requirements are for what your building, will it race , mingle with traffic or whatnot.

weight reduction will give you most gains in situations where you have to stop and accelerate a lot (city traffic) while aerodynamics will pay of more on the highway... i presonally think that the added weight of a lightlweight undertray, will be more than canceled out by the aero gains.

a more difficult engineering exersize might be to make (parts) of the undertray a structural element... like the stressed skin on most WW2 fighter planes allowed the use of thinner internal structures (or for those to be perforated) wich imho would see bigger weight savings while allowing perfect aero. brace wires might also be an interesting idea to make certain structures more rigid while allowing the heavy structures to be lighter.

on the other hand there's something to be said for over engineering as well when it comes to safety etc... so it all depends where the priorities are

[Varn]

Look up interference drag.

Perforated is practically identical to solid as far as aero goes. Once air gets to a certain speed or pressure the small holes basically act as if they are not there.

[Christ]

Originally Posted by Varn

Look up interference drag.

Perforated is practically identical to solid as far as aero goes. Once air gets to a certain speed or pressure the small holes basically act as if they are not there.

This.

Is why window screen makes a perfect grille block on the highway, and allows normal cooling in red light traffic.

[XJguy]

Youll probably save more weight by skipping a meal when you get in the car than you will by using perforated sheets.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by Varn

Look up interference drag.

Perforated is practically identical to solid as far as aero goes. Once air gets to a certain speed or pressure the small holes basically act as if they are not there.

I'd wager there's a significant difference between the behavior of a perforated surface perpendicular to flow and one parallel to flow.

[Christ]

What about the boundary layer, frank? Are you thinking that because it's not a solid, the boundary layer "weeps through", and doesn't keep flow separated from the actual surface?