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Old 01-15-2021, 02:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pininfarina Aerodynamica

This came up in an article, but without an image.
The 1967 ( Sergio ) Pininfarina BMC Aerodynamica.
They took an existing BMC 1800, Cd 0.45, re-bodied it, and 'voila', Cd 0.34! Which would have been quite exceptional for it's day.
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Old 01-15-2021, 04:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Carrozzeria designs : Pininfarina 1800 1967
https://www.aronline.co.uk/facts-and...infarina-1800/






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Plenty of subsequent speculation from commentators has concluded that, with this styling, the 1800 could have gone on to be a huge international hit. However, we’re not so sure that buyers would have been ready to take the leap in the late 1960s.
I think the Chevy Monza borrowed some design clues.

1977 Chevrolet Monza Mirage: A Win Win Situation?
https://autopolis.wordpress.com/2014...win-situation/

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The Term ‘Race on Sunday Sell on Monday’ was already a tired cliché when Chevrolet rolled out it’s new H Body cars late in 1974. The most attractive of these, quite possibly the Chevrolet Monza looked like it could be the answer to Ford’s Mustang II.

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http://h-body.org/library/hbodyfaq/h...sections.shtml
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The Monza was introduced in 1975. GM's other brands also introduced their versions of the Monza: the Oldsmobile Starfire, the Buick Skyhawk, and the Pontiac Sunbird. The Monza, based on concept cars designed by Pininfarina (1971/1972 Ferrari GTC+4), was designed to use a two rotor Wankel engine, but that engine never reached production. Instead, the Monza appeared with either the Vega's 4-cylinder or a 262ci small block V8 (350ci in California). Later engines include the Pontiac Iron Duke 2.5l inline four, a 3.2l V6, the Buick 3.8l V6, and the Chevy 305 V8. The Monza 2+2 hatch won Motor Trend's "Car of the Year" for 1975. All H-body production ended for the 1980 model year.
A parallel path to domestic efforts of Bill Mitchell and Larry Shinoda (see below)?

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To make the comparison, you need a pic of a standard Austin 1800.

Here's the one I used to have:



Poor aero, ho-hum engine but just brilliant suspension (Hydrolastic). I can talk for hours on that suspension design. (Helped by a very stiff body.)
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Monza GT

It may have been 'Wild Bill' Mitchell who told Larry Shinoda that his Corvair MONZA GT looked like a 'potato.'
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I think the Chevy Monza borrowed some design clues.
Just a little bit. My first thought was "that looks like the Monza my dad had when I was a kid".
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Looks like a Citroen SM to me.
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I think the Chevy Monza borrowed some design clues.
I'm not seeing it. Slab-sided (no body crease), straight bottom on the daylight opening, 5-door body. I agree with the Citroen SM.


https://www.curbsideclassic.com/curb...st-plain-ugly/

I remember this car mainly for the rocker arm front suspension. This is squirreled away in my albums, I guess I liked the sheet metal.



Maybe it was the radiator exhausting into the wheelwell?

Another Pininfarina re-body:


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I remember this car mainly for the rocker arm front suspension. This is squirreled away in my albums, I guess I liked the sheet metal.



Maybe it was the radiator exhausting into the wheelwell?
Yes, like a Mini, the radiator exhausted into the wheel well.

The 1800 didn't use subframes for the suspension, something rather daring at the time. So Issigonis made it all very strong, but 'smart strong' eg with very deep side sills).

You probably got that image from this article; I don't think it has been published online anywhere else (or anyway, it was first published online in this article).
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You're right, of course. Am I Autospeed's problem now?

I remember about the sills, but what impressed me was the tube buried in the bulkhead to locate the Hydrolastic suspension bags.

The rear suspension was used by Inrekor on their flat-pack Porsche Speedster chassis:


https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post533399

From 2011. Inrekor is gone now, but they had an interesting product.
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Looks like a Citroen SM to me.
I see some Renault and Citroën influences in there to be sure.

I found this weirdness while doing an image search.

IKA's South American Shelby: the Lutteral Comahue
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/201...tteral-comahue



1968, 1972?

Not related, but shows some of the thinking (outside of the box) of that era.

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