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Old 01-24-2015, 05:58 PM   #21 (permalink)
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At one time people were terrified at flying along at speeds faster then a horse could run. We now routinely operate our own vehicles at 75 mph so what is so magical about 100 mph. Safety has improved so much that people can and do survive crashes at speed in many accidents. NASCAR expects drivers to survive crashes at double the speeds we drive. With pre 1960 cars people died in low speed accidents.

We were just pointing out that 1: the interstate highways are built for higher speeds 2: if the vehicle has good aero it can be stable at these speeds (80 mph to 105 mph), and that such a vehicle would return much better fuel economy at these higher speeds then current cars and trucks.

If you want to be absolutely safe I would recommend you not drive or ride in motor vehicles at all. I certainly would not ride in any vehicle traveling over 55 mph. After that crashes where you leave the roadway typically involve more than a half million ft lbs of forces which have to be dissipated some way. Science can help us with this, unreasonable fears and a closed mind can not. I for one would like to be able to travel in my personal vehicle at greater speeds between cities reducing travel times. I would never suggest anyone who does not be forced to do so.

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Old 01-25-2015, 03:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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You should have an [img][/img] between the photo fer it to show.

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Old 01-25-2015, 04:28 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Bam zip pow, I appreciate your attempt to help but I have no idea where the [img] should be placed in the url from reading your post? Do I place it myself or do I take steps for it appear automatically. Phil has sent me written instructions on how to post pics from photobucket which I have followed to the letter. I could repost his instructions for you. There is some step that you all consider to be so obvious no one is mentioning but it is not so obvious to me.
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Old 01-25-2015, 06:14 PM   #25 (permalink)
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If you click on the "Quote" button on my previous post, you should see how the [img][/img] tags are used. Once I git to yer area this weekend, we can go over that as well.
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The T-100 felt rock steady at 105-mph on the salt.It had nearly a 50-50 weight distribution and isn't as tall as many contemporary pickups.
She's essentially zero-lift according to the wind tunnel,which validates Goro Tamai's comment about the stability of half-bodies.
And she's very stable in crosswind and gusts.
I suspect Aerostealth's F-150 can shrug off many issues which would plague a garden variety pickup.
If the Ferd also has 50/50 weight distribution I'd be more inclined to agree with the rest. The high COG and normal "bad" weight distribution plus limited tire contact patch exacerbated by tall sidewalls leads me to believe otherwise. Truck understeer (aggravated into oversteer by getting outside of door placard tire pressures) means the safe window is closed much faster at ordinary speeds (on a truck that is 65 and lower). I run that high speed Interstate all the time and can report I've seen some hairy moments for pickups through the passes.
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That said, I believe FE numbers are pretty much meaningless -- just a stunt -- unless it is bracketed by mpg numbers and other numbers from when the truck is loaded to GVWR.

To be taken seriously I don't see how one can do otherwise. Driving under a load calls for changes to driving. And then pulling any kind of trailer yet another subset.

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At one time people were terrified at flying along at speeds faster then a horse could run. We now routinely operate our own vehicles at 75 mph so what is so magical about 100 mph. Safety has improved so much that people can and do survive crashes at speed in many accidents. NASCAR expects drivers to survive crashes at double the speeds we drive. With pre 1960 cars people died in low speed accidents.
In the 1930s they would find wrecked cars in the branches of trees. Now that's aerodyamics.

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