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Wolf_Tm 05-11-2013 06:08 PM

Roof spoiler effect
 
Hi All,
really hope you would help me as well, as it is mainly an aerodynamic curiosity.

Toyota Celica GT-four WRC was sold from 1994 with this wing:

http://crasstalk.com/wp-content/uplo...ier-Auriol.jpg


But in 1996 Toyota added a roof spoiler on the top of the rear window:

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5020/imag0023se.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...AYLOR32/C7.jpg

What kind of aero impact do you think this roof spoiler will have?

Thank you.

Frank Lee 05-11-2013 06:20 PM

My guess is it enhances the flow to the trunk spoiler for more downforce.

kach22i 05-11-2013 06:33 PM

The photos in the link below show an air slot on the roof wing/spoiler.

Rear roof spoiler pics?? - 6G Celicas Forums
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../st204/472.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../st204/468.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2.../st204/447.jpg

I have a complete explanation of how such garnishment may work in my signature, see roof wing.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...1-a-19525.html
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ck-diagram.jpg

AntiochOG 05-11-2013 06:47 PM

I've seen similar spoilers available for my Miata and my fiance's Civic and wondered what sort of effect they would have on drag.

Wolf_Tm 05-12-2013 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntiochOG (Post 370914)
I've seen similar spoilers available for my Miata and my fiance's Civic and wondered what sort of effect they would have on drag.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 370906)
My guess is it enhances the flow to the trunk spoiler for more downforce.


Yes, I too suppose it should have some effect on downforce... even if is translated from a Japanese Toyota catalog as a "rear sunvisor"...

And moreover because, as kach22i wrote, there is an air slot in the middle...

Really would like to see a picture of how the air flow would look like there... ;)

Thanks

Frank Lee 05-12-2013 04:22 AM

I could draw some nice arrows if you'd like.

Wolf_Tm 05-12-2013 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 370999)
I could draw some nice arrows if you'd like.

Really??
Can I ask if it'd be possible with and without the roof spoiler?

Thanks! :)

kach22i 05-12-2013 02:49 PM

Like Frank Lee pointed out, I drew arrows but in my own defense the arrows follow what I understand about boundary layer airflow and mass airflow.

There are a few patents based on similar principals but that don't mean they work as theorized, only that somebody spent money on a patent.

I have been unable to find air tunnel with smoke video of similar devices. However, it has been over a year since I searched.

Go to Youtube, Google and or Bing and do a search. Please post your findings in this thread if you come up with anything Wolf_TM.

I should note that Computational Fluid Dynamic models available to us amateurs may not be sophisticated enough for something so intricate.

Wolf_Tm 05-13-2013 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kach22i (Post 371092)
Like Frank Lee pointed out, I drew arrows but in my own defense the arrows follow what I understand about boundary layer airflow and mass airflow.

There are a few patents based on similar principals but that don't mean they work as theorized, only that somebody spent money on a patent.

I have been unable to find air tunnel with smoke video of similar devices. However, it has been over a year since I searched.

Go to Youtube, Google and or Bing and do a search. Please post your findings in this thread if you come up with anything Wolf_TM.


Ok!


Quote:

I should note that Computational Fluid Dynamic models available to us amateurs may not be sophisticated enough for something so intricate.
Yes, really think you're right...
How will be to make a video of some wool yarn?

aerohead 05-14-2013 03:58 PM

effect
 
I agree with Frank,that it it's there to modify flow to the other spoiler.Mercedes-Benz did this a couple decades ago with their 190 EVO.
On the Autobahn,this combination might make the difference between hydroplaning or not at the speeds folks can legally drive on certain sections.


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