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Old 11-25-2020, 09:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
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$6,000 for a 2014 Camry? I don't know, man, that is 2008 Yaris Base money!

[from the same dealership!]

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Prices plus tax, title, license & $499 doc fee.
Sales tax would be $497.59. As far as I can tell, the MVD would charge $81.37 for title and registration and then the dealership charges $499 for doing simple paperwork?

$7,072.96 out the door?

That is a great car, but $4,580 is looking pretty good!

The sales tax in that city is 8.3%. This shows most of the title and registration fees. This calculated the last fee.

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Old 11-25-2020, 11:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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$6,000 for a 2014 Camry? I don't know, man, that is 2008 Yaris Base money!

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Sales tax would be $497.59. As far as I can tell, the MVD would charge $81.37 for title and registration and then the dealership charges $499 for doing simple paperwork?

$7,072.96 out the door?

That is a great car, but $4,580 is looking pretty good!

The sales tax in that city is 8.3%. This shows most of the title and registration fees. This calculated the last fee.

I negotiate based on out the door price and I'm very clear with the salesman about that from the beginning.

The difference in sales tax on a $5000 car is $135. Well worth the 30K less miles and the fact that is the fancy Lexus version of a Camry without a scrape down the side.

$4,000 for a wrecked two-tone Camry? Not when there are 761 cars on Car Guru in the Phoenix area priced from $3000 - $5000, with less than 200K miles

Cars like this 2007 Camry Hybrid with 127K miles for $3900
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I think those are the oil hog engines, one of my grandsons have an earlier one and it is fine. But his younger brother bought a newer one and it ran out of oil and is junk.
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Old 11-26-2020, 03:34 AM   #14 (permalink)
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This is the ugliest car that I remember seeing at a dealership!

The 2007 hybrid gets 33/34 and the 2011 gasser gets 25/35. When I actually drive it is mostly highway and Show Low isn't really city driving, so it would be awesome to get better mileage in the newer car than the older hybrid.

Okay guys, calm down. $4,500 was the most that I would consider spending.
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Why do you want to drive a boat anyway?

Yes, my personal judgement on size and shapes of cars is in the way of seeing the appeal. Sedans are useless for anything but transporting people...which I rarely do. Small hatchbacks FTW!
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I think those are the oil hog engines, one of my grandsons have an earlier one and it is fine. But his younger brother bought a newer one and it ran out of oil and is junk.
How do you run a car out of oil? Camry's of that generation require an oil change every 5000 miles. If you were burning oil fast enough to run out within the service interval it would be leaving a puddle or have visible smoke from the exhaust.

The 4th generation Camry (97 - 2001) had the oil sledging problem but that was due to neglect. If you didn't change the oil on schedule it could sludge in some of the smaller oil passages.
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Old 11-26-2020, 02:00 PM   #17 (permalink)
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This is the ugliest car that I remember seeing at a dealership!
I agree - those wheels are awful. Use it to your advantage. A couple cans paint later and it is fixed.


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The 2007 hybrid gets 33/34 and the 2011 gasser gets 25/35. When I actually drive it is mostly highway and Show Low isn't really city driving, so it would be awesome to get better mileage in the newer car than the older hybrid.

Okay guys, calm down. $4,500 was the most that I would consider spending.
I haven't driven the Camry hybrid but the Prius hybrids of that generation will easily beat the EPA mileage. The EPA reduced the rating on hybrids after the fact because lead-foots complained they weren't getting the rated mileage.

(The 2007 Camry hybrid was originally rated 40 city / 38 highway / 39 combined.)

Those hybrid drivetrains are pretty much bulletproof and you should never have to replace brake pads or rotors.

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Why do you want to drive a boat anyway?

Yes, my personal judgement on size and shapes of cars is in the way of seeing the appeal. Sedans are useless for anything but transporting people...which I rarely do. Small hatchbacks FTW!
I share you feelings on sedans. It is wagons or hatchbacks for me. I transport 4 people and gear and a pretty regular basis so I prefer wagons. Unfortunately they are basically dead in the USA.
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Old 11-26-2020, 07:59 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Everybody knows that wagons are four-door pickups!

All of us should beat New EPA. I am confident that many of us beat old EPA.

It looks like my Accord went from being rated 25/31 to 20/28, but I have had few tanks below 31 MPG.

The wheels look like spray paint. It probably has orange peel and other blemishes, so removing the paint would be a huge improvement.

I messaged the dealership "$4,000 out the door. It needs a new bumper and the wheels are hideous!"

They are only rated 3 stars, so I will probably regret trying.
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One thing to consider is I found that in the time of low gas prices hybrids were going cheaper than the same comparable gasoline only car.
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Old 11-28-2020, 12:48 AM   #20 (permalink)
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The 2004 Corolla is a manual!

It looks clean, the back bumper just has some damage. There are 11 for sale in the Phoenix area, a rear-ended autotragic with 225,000 miles, 2 Matrices, 7 seemingly-not-rear-ended autotragics, and this "Clean" manual:

What the heck?!

The rest of it looks great. It has 180,000 miles and they are asking $3,100.

The blue book on the one in Pinetop is $2,100, but I am sure that you guys will claim it is worth three fifty: https://showlow.craigslist.org/cto/d...236270471.html

It is rated 28/36.

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