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Old 11-30-2019, 04:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well we haven't eliminated horses as "engines" so I would never expect ICE to disappear completely.

Maybe we'll see a new form of Amish that adopt ICE as their top level technology, but refuse to use fusion power or something. You think they progressively adjust up the technology level in response to recent developments?

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Old 11-30-2019, 04:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well we haven't eliminated horses as "engines" so I would never expect ICE to disappear completely.
At least in some places such as Rio Grande do Sul, there is a whole cultural significance of the horse that won't make it disappear so soon.


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Maybe we'll see a new form of Amish that adopt ICE as their top level technology, but refuse to use fusion power or something. You think they progressively adjust up the technology level in response to recent developments?
I'm not familiar with the Amish perspectives on life and technology, but it doesn't surprise me that some groups prefer to keep some low tech for the most diverse reasons.
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Right - that is quite correct. I think the 700 mile versions would be less expensive than today's EVs.
The are a religious group mostly located in the state of Pennsylvania who have arbitrarily set limits to the adoption of technology (for reasons unknown to me). They use horse and wagon, with no combustion engines. They allow a landline telephone and locate it in the outhouse (primitive outdoor bathroom).
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The are a religious group mostly located in the state of Pennsylvania who have arbitrarily set limits to the adoption of technology (for reasons unknown to me). They use horse and wagon, with no combustion engines.
That was basically all I knew about the Amish.


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They allow a landline telephone and locate it in the outhouse (primitive outdoor bathroom).
Didn't know they were already allowing a landline telephone. When it comes to outhouses, they're not unheard of in my homeland Brazil, even though they've been quite uncommon nowadays.
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Double the Permalinks so far today and the thread is in the toilet, I love it.

My current favorite house design is a 20-230' dome with a connecting hallway to an octagon bathhouse, that includes the service entrance.

The Amish are closely related to the Mennonites, who are more plentiful around here. They aren't against technology, they just have a thorough vetting process. It's local so results vary. See the Black-bumper Amish.

It's the fastest growing religion.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=growth+of+amish+people
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Feb 8, 2018Exponential growth is a powerful thing, but the Amish are starting from a very low base. But even so, Amish fertility offers some fascinating insights.

List of U.S. states by Amish population - Wikipedia
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List of U.S. states by Amish population. Then comes the Amish settlement in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish population in the U.S. numbers more than 270,000 and is growing rapidly, due to large family size (seven children on average) and a church-member retention rate of approximately 80%.".

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Aug 1, 2012There are nearly 251,000 Amish people in America and Canada, according to Ohio State University researchers. That's more than double the estimated population in 1989 of about 100,000.
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Sure, but how far out are we talking?

It's going to take a very long time for battery tech to offset the $7,500 federal tax credit that will/is going away.
Yeah let's see how they do with state and federal incentives removed, level playing field.
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Right - that is quite correct. I think the 700 mile versions would be less expensive than today's EVs.
Based in what?
For all we know the only practical applications may be personal electronic devices.
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I have a solution. We need to forget crazy ideas and keep our feets on the ground.



Ok, seriously speaking, while we wait for the super batteries, or in case it do not come as a reality in the next 10 years, maybe a solution would be manufacture lighweight electric cars with small batteries with range only for cities, and people would rent extra battery packs for longer distances.
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People aren't rational. A 100 mile range EV is fine for most anyone with access to home charging, but they want a vehicle that can make their annual Thanksgiving 500 mile trip, even though renting a car is pretty cheap (or borrow a friend's) and probably a good idea for racking up a lot of miles.

I suspect increasing plug-in hybrid sales in the interim. Makes perfect sense to have a battery big enough to complete daily needs, which means the ICE can be downsized since it doesn't need to be so powerful to accelerate up to speed.

The upcoming RAV4 Prime sounds like a pretty good compromise of EV range, power, utility, and efficiency that would appeal to US buyers.

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