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Old 09-15-2013, 08:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cool TERS (thermal energy recovery system)

Well, I was recently reading an f1technical.com article about TERS introduction into the upcoming season, and that got me thinking... How would this work? I've been wracking my brain as to how you can use heat to make energy, ie bi-metallic thermal generators, and that's really all I'm coming up with. OPEN DISCUSSION: how else can you accomplish this? Is there a practical ecomodding(DIY) approach you've been pondering? Lets flesh this out a bit.

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Well, I was recently reading an f1technical.com article about TERS introduction into the upcoming season, and that got me thinking... How would this work? I've been wracking my brain as to how you can use heat to make energy, ie bi-metallic thermal generators, and that's really all I'm coming up with. OPEN DISCUSSION: how else can you accomplish this? Is there a practical ecomodding(DIY) approach you've been pondering? Lets flesh this out a bit.
From what I have read, peltiers would work, but they would be terribly cost inefficient.
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F1 TERS for 2014 is now called a MGHU Motor Generator Heat Unit.

Its using a generator type unit that's located at the center cartridge of the turbo. Being a generator it can make electricity or spin the turbo's shaft to reduce turbo lag.

Garret Honeywell came up with back in the 90's and its evolved from there.

The max output the MGUH can put out by 2014 rules is 120 kW or 160 HP.

There is rummer that they are at 80 kW right now and growing.

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Not to many F1 fans on here???

This is a pic during a pre-gp grid walk by Italian tv technical commentator ing.Giancarlo Bruno, showing a the Magneti Marelli MGU-H for 2014 (presumably an early development version): 120kW output

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:O that's awesome I love f1, especially since they're getting greener :]
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:O that's awesome I love f1, especially since they're getting greener :]
Me too!!! I can't wait for next year!!!

I love the new fuel/power rules.
5.1.5 Below 10500rpm the fuel mass flow must not exceed Q (kg/h) = 0.009 N(rpm)+ 5.5.

I think this is going to be a major game changer in fuel efficiency's and performance.

New down sized 1.6L V6 Direct Injected Petrol up to 500bar. Turbocharged with MGUH units that can supply up to 120kW of power that's link to the drive-train through the MGUK unit.

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And Honda comes back in 2015!! AND KIMI's AT FERARRI AGAIN!
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What part of Idaho you from pgfpro? I lived in ririe years ago, just north of IF
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What part of Idaho you from pgfpro? I lived in ririe years ago, just north of IF
I can't wait to see what Honda brings in 2015

I live in Coeur d' Alene ID about 30 miles east of Spokane WA.

I'm on F1 Technical a lot. I go by the same name pgfpro.
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I can't wait to see what Honda brings in 2015

I live in Coeur d' Alene ID about 30 miles east of Spokane WA.

I'm on F1 Technical a lot. I go by the same name pgfpro.
Rad, I went to a jazz festival a while back at the college up there. I'm on f1tech pretty often, and reddit/formula1 may times a day lol. Who's your driver?

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