10-21-2024, 12:27 PM
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Texas' 'Electroline' tax
1) The Texas State Gasoline Tax is $0.20 / gallon at public gas stations.
2) Texas is collecting $1.56/ gallon-e at public charging stations.
3A) - Texas is collecting $200 /year per BEV Annual vehicle registration at County Tax Offices.
3B) - which is equivalent to the taxes levied on 1,000-gallons of Gasoline.
3C) - which, at 12,000-miles/year, equates to an average 12-mpg.
3D) - my BEV is returning and average 125.8-mpg.
4) I don't know if I can drive 125,800-miles a year to justify the taxation, but I suppose I could try.
5) And perhaps, the Texas Legislature may want to brace for the coming class-action lawsuit from all the Texas BEV owners, once they figure out why it's been so painful to sit.
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10-21-2024, 02:43 PM
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Except for road trips, home charge is adequate, particularly 240 volt. Not taxed currently. Don't know they figure out your useage, but expect they will eventually. Gotta get them tax monies somehow
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10-22-2024, 04:10 PM
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Except for road trips, home charge is adequate, particularly 240 volt. Not taxed currently. Don't know they figure out your useage, but expect they will eventually. Gotta get them tax monies somehow
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Municipal substation taxes are charged on every kWhr nationwide by the utility and gets silently passed on to rate payers as a part of the price per kwhr .
It is generally higher than gas tax and in some areas like Rhode Island account for $50/month of the utility bill.
I would argue these EV/Hybrid fines are simply unnecessary and also violate equal protection laws.
Sadly even when it’s beyond a shadow of a doubt nobody will take up the case against city hall, only Oklahoma had their overturned by the Sierra Club, you would need to find a bored elderly lawyer or a charity to take up a case like this.
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10-24-2024, 03:09 AM
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I don't know how Texas legislation reached this average MPG equivalence in order to charge (no pun intended) EV owners their fair share of road tax, but anyway, with so many high-end EVs attempting to trade-off overall efficiency for performance levels meant to prove themselves better than a gasser, it was quite predictable.
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10-24-2024, 12:11 PM
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' figure out usage '
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Except for road trips, home charge is adequate, particularly 240 volt. Not taxed currently. Don't know they figure out your useage, but expect they will eventually. Gotta get them tax monies somehow
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In Texas, the prerequisite for the mandatory, annual vehicle registration, at a minimum, involves an annual certified safety inspection, at which time odometer readings are recorded.
This information is electronically transferred to each county tax office, where the vehicle title and registration is handled.
The county 'knows' the actual annual mileage, GVWR, from which they might have some mathematical relationship to ascertain each vehicle's real impact on the roads an highways, from which The Highway Trust Fund would receive an appropriate revenue to cover annual maintenance.
If I drive 2,000-miles a year, as I typically have, I'm 'taxed' as if I've consumed 1,000-gallons of gasoline, and driven 12,000 miles.
It's completely arbitrary and capricious, even though they're in possession of enough information to make a 'scientific' attribution to the vehicle's impact.
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10-24-2024, 01:13 PM
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None of the state level EV fines make sense . (If you look at my comments you will see I’ve been warning about this for over a decade)
Reality is unless the federal government makes heavy handed guidelines and quotas thus suing non compliant states , nothing will change.
Outside 4 states the EV fines have been spearheaded by anti-EV groups that want them off the road, the taxes being punitive is no accident.
the trucking industry has been pushing to offload massive registration taxes directly to consumers cars for decades.
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' industry '
Yes, and with the 26% oil depletion allowance, the American Petroleum Institute is ever awash in $$$$$$$$$$$$$ for full-time lobbyists, attracting legislators hungry for reelection campaign financing, and eager to sponsor legislation friendly to the oil patch.
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In Texas, the prerequisite for the mandatory, annual vehicle registration, at a minimum, involves an annual certified safety inspection, at which time odometer readings are recorded.
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Emissions a well? I may or may not have ever had a car that would pass annual inspections. The Metro seat belts only work if the doors stay closed.
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' emissions '
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Emissions a well? I may or may not have ever had a car that would pass annual inspections. The Metro seat belts only work if the doors stay closed.
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Yes, cars, trucks, and vans, below 6,000-lb GVWR, have been required to pass emissions tests, until they reach 24-years of age, after which, only safety inspections are required.
You can drive the car for 24-years without passing the emissions test, as long as you spend at least $600/year, 'attempting' to get the vehicle to pass.
A OEM catalytic converter for a Toyota Camry is $1,200.
The one for 'Spindletop' was $700.
Mustang oxygen sensors were $150 each, and there were five of them!
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GM provided 'lifetime' catalytic converters on the BOLT.
Lifetime brake pads.
Lifetime engine mounts.
Free tune-ups.
Free 'lifetime' oil & filter changes.
Free compression testing.
Free V-belts and serpentine belts.
Free thermostats.
Free transmission service.
Free lifetime emissions testing.
Charging access at all level-3 Tesla charging locations.
Charging access at PILOT Travel locations
Charging access at Flying J travel locations.
$600 /year would provide me 17,800-miles of home 'fuel' ( 3.37-cents / mile )
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Funding necessary and predictable expenditures like road infrastructure from gasoline taxes or any other weird scheme is stupid. It should be funded through the regular methods of taxation just like all the other necessary and predictable public services.
I say abolish all weird taxes that make no sense; especially property taxes.
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