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Old 07-21-2021, 03:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have been told that, if I am to continue posting here, I am not to address any posts that Aerohead makes. That is unacceptable to me, because unfortunately Aerohead is the greatest source of misinformation on this subgroup i.e. the one about car aerodynamics.

What he posts here falls into one of four types of posts:

- completely wrong - that is, utter garbage, that no-one versed in the field would ever support (about 40 percent of his posts)

- misleading in context - that is, because of what is *not* said, quite misleading (about 30 per cent)

- misleading because Aerohead has been proved utterly wrong and is fighting a stupid rear-guard action where black is white (or vice versa) - about 20 percent, but rising quickly.

- really good and interesting posts - about 10 per cent.

Apparently, the owners of the website are happy with this this mix, no doubt because page views are good when such misinformation is being spread without challenge.

As a book author, I find such an approach impossible. In my books, I go to endless lengths to try to nail everything down correctly. For example, in the aero history book, Professor Jeff Howell and I sometimes had 5-6 emails back and forth, all about one tiny point on a single page!

Doug Milliken (one of the most famous names in the field of vehicle dynamics, ever) with whom I am working with on my current history of suspension book, is even more pedantic! (Which is great.)

It is all light-years from the approach taken here: and I just find it impossible to switch effortlessly between 'anything goes' and 'here is the definitive account'.

A few weeks ago, I was told that I couldn't address Aerohead's BS in this forum - and I have considered how to respond since.

I am really sorry, but I think that getting real and credible information out to car modifiers is actually really important. (Why? Because I spend hundreds of hours modifying cars. Yeah, strange I know. Who else would care about such a waste of time of heading in wrong directions? Certainly some here who never lift a finger to do anything real in car mods - it's all just a game to them.)

So unless there is a dramatic change here, goodbye. It will certainly save me many hours of thinking and typing!


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The antidote to bad speech and false statement is more speech, not suppression of speech. Or as Justice Holmes put it, “free thought—not ... for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate.”
Swaying public opinion is an art-form. In the best of times ....let alone i today's contentious atmosphere. What we learnt in the 1960s (and subsequently forgot) is that to fight it is to feed it.
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I have been told that, if I am to continue posting here, I am not to address any posts that Aerohead makes. That is unacceptable to me, because unfortunately Aerohead is the greatest source of misinformation on this subgroup i.e. the one about car aerodynamics.

What he posts here falls into one of four types of posts:

- completely wrong - that is, utter garbage, that no-one versed in the field would ever support (about 40 percent of his posts)

- misleading in context - that is, because of what is *not* said, quite misleading (about 30 per cent)

- misleading because Aerohead has been proved utterly wrong and is fighting a stupid rear-guard action where black is white (or vice versa) - about 20 percent, but rising quickly.

- really good and interesting posts - about 10 per cent.

Apparently, the owners of the website are happy with this this mix, no doubt because page views are good when such misinformation is being spread without challenge.

As a book author, I find such an approach impossible. In my books, I go to endless lengths to try to nail everything down correctly. For example, in the aero history book, Professor Jeff Howell and I sometimes had 5-6 emails back and forth, all about one tiny point on a single page!

Doug Milliken (one of the most famous names in the field of vehicle dynamics, ever) with whom I am working with on my current history of suspension book, is even more pedantic! (Which is great.)

It is all light-years from the approach taken here: and I just find it impossible to switch effortlessly between 'anything goes' and 'here is the definitive account'.

A few weeks ago, I was told that I couldn't address Aerohead's BS in this forum - and I have considered how to respond since.

I am really sorry, but I think that getting real and credible information out to car modifiers is actually really important. (Why? Because I spend hundreds of hours modifying cars. Yeah, strange I know. Who else would care about such a waste of time of heading in wrong directions? Certainly some here who never lift a finger to do anything real in car mods - it's all just a game to them.)

So unless there is a dramatic change here, goodbye. It will certainly save me many hours of thinking and typing!
Agreed. I would add obsolete, debunked and outdated information, usually to the tune of 20 to 30 years ago then clings to theory and modeling when real experiments with observations have been preformed.
Just put him on ignore and continue to post away it will drive him nuts.
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Old 07-21-2021, 01:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I would add obsolete, debunked and outdated information, usually to the tune of 20 to 30 years ago...
20 to 30 years isn't that long. All the important work was done in Zeppelin's wind tunnels.

And he does change his mind. In The Lounge (where he seldom ventures) is a post called 'magnetism and earthquakes, wherein he agrees that empty space is full of magnetism. It's only a short step to realizing that magnetism and electricity always and only coexist.

I couldn't get him to stop with The Template, but Julian Edgar did. Baby Template never got the acclaim that Aerocivic did.
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As far as Iím concerned youíre both arrogant, pretentious pricks, and yíall deserve one another. Lol...

Also...

Itís my belief we should...




However...

Having said that, I realize theyíre others here that require a safe space and itís disturbing to them.

Therefore in reality...

Darin is going to do what is in best interest for this site. And, well, you canít blame him. 🤷

Unfortunately, this is where weíre at.


But...But...But...

Itís easy to get around...

Just donít mention aerohead specifically. Just say blah, blah, something, something.

Thus, itís not a personal attack.





And guess what...???

Weíll figure it out.

Believe it or not, we arenít that dumb.


Also, should you choose to leave...

Who will be our contrarian and savior...???


Donít be so hasty...

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Attacking the ideas was never the problem; it was always the attacks on the person. It doesn't matter who started it (that's what children argue). Nobody would have been suspended if there had been civil discussion.
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Attacking the ideas was never the problem; it was always the attacks on the person. It doesn't matter who started it (that's what children argue). Nobody would have been suspended if there had been civil discussion.
Exactly. Just because one person believes in HHO generators and another is absolutely sure they don't work doesn't mean that they can't respectfully get along. There are a lot of things I don't agree with on this site posted by others, but I don't take it personal. That doesn't mean I keep quiet either. But if they want to keep thinking that their way of thinking is better than mine that's fine because that's what I do to them. We can all peacefully disagree.

But like I said before, this a forum, nothing more. Edgar Julian seems to believe this is some kind of an encyclopedia collaboration. There are the Ecomods and Hypermiling lists that are kind of an official reference. But not everything that's put on the forums makes it there.

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