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Old 07-16-2015, 06:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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We're building up a comprehensive database for the EcoBoost F-150.It's great!
By the time you're back from Florida we'll know a great deal about EcoBoost-RV travel trailer aero/mpg.

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Old 07-17-2015, 01:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 07-18-2015, 04:40 PM   #23 (permalink)
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14.5 mpg = Cd 0.691?

I used some rolling resistance values from CATERPILLAR's online 'UNDERSTANDING TRACTOR-TRAILER PERFORMANCE' and estimated a BSFC of 0.537 for the naked F-150.
Using this BSFC,I used the towing mpgs to reverse-engineer the road loads necessary to explain the difference.
I came up with 3.72-hp rolling resistance penalty for the loaded trailer, and 14.364-hp additional aero losses.
Using the frontal area of the pickup as a reference,the aerodynamic loading of the trailer/Kubota tractor combination creates a tax on the F-150 equivalent to raising it's drag to Cd 0.691,up from Cd 0.34 for the solo Aerolid combo.
From Caterpillar,the rolling force coefficient for the set of 4-tires,and any powertrain friction,at 55-mph is 0.00802205,based on the all-up weight of the truck.
I used the same coefficient to estimate the trailer R-R load.
If any members want to run the numbers as well,Based upon AeroStealth's values,it would be good to have a second set of eyes on this.
I feel like quite the neophyte when it comes to trailers.
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PS @ Cd 0.691 and 36-sq-ft we get CdA 24.876 sq-ft.
If we consider APEX's 62-sq-ft frontal area as the reference for the 'rig',then to get 14.5 mpg towing APEX at 55-mph,the Cd of the F-150/trailer combo would need to be no greater than Cd 0.401? (A little better than a NASCAR 2-car draft)
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Old 07-18-2015, 08:39 PM   #24 (permalink)
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90 day: 15.9 mpg (US)

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Some back of the envelope calculations tells me we could be looking at between 15 mpg and 16 mpg and a Cd of .39 down from .601. I used 13.6 mpg as a baseline for the truck and trailer with the modified Aerolid. I should have a baseline for a empty bed towing the trailer tomorrow. I would just love to see 15 mpg period.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:55 PM   #25 (permalink)
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90 day: 19.8 mpg (US)

Ford Stealth G-4 - '14 Ford F-150 4X4 Super Crew XLT
90 day: 15.9 mpg (US)

XLT Towing Keystone 5th wheel trailer - '14 Ford Keystone 5th Wheel XLT
90 day: 9.03 mpg (US)

Trip 2015 C Max Energi - '15 Ford C Max Energi SWP
90 day: 38.2 mpg (US)

Local 120 volt 2015 C-Max Energi - '15 Ford C-Max Energy SEL
90 day: 55.65 mpg (US)

Local 240 volt 2015 C-Max Energi - '15 Ford C Max Energi SLE
90 day: 57.63 mpg (US)

Energi Combined - '15 C Max Energi Leather
90 day: 51.2 mpg (US)

MoonDust for Travel - '19 Chevrolet Bolt LT
90 day: 123.11 mpg (US)

MoonDust 3 with 90% CE - '19 Chevy Bolt LT
90 day: 127.57 mpg (US)

Ecopia IV - '19 Chevy Bolt Lt
90 day: 126.39 mpg (US)

Ecopia IV Trip Log - '19 Chevy Bolt LT
90 day: 121.01 mpg (US)

Rate Rider Chevy Bolt - '19 Chevrolet Bolt LT-2
90 day: 123.16 mpg (US)

Teal Force One 70% - '24 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL
90 day: 98.52 mpg (US)

Teal Force Two 90% - '24 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL
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My naked bed towing test this morning point to 10 mpg at 62 mph for Apex behind the Ford XLT. The result average of 11.6 mpg for my tow rig with the aerolid flared out looks to be a 13.8% improvement already. Additional mods to the trailer itself look to be low hanging fruit.

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