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MeteorGray 08-18-2020 10:31 AM

What Happens When Hope Takes Over Planning
 
https://www.breitbart.com/environmen...-energy-flaws/

oil pan 4 08-18-2020 12:52 PM

I guess the plan is to store additional gigawatt hours in battery storage. That only works if you have additional gigawatt hours that can't be used.
They shouldn't have shutdown their nuclear power plant.
I say it's what happens when political science majors and social justice warriors make engineering decisions.

rmay635703 08-18-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 629741)
I guess the plan is to store additional gigawatt hours in battery storage. That only works if you have additional gigawatt hours that can't be used.
They shouldn't have shutdown their nuclear power plant.
I say it it's what happens when political science majors and social justice warriors make engineering decisions.

Agreed, backbone power like nuclear needs a larger piece of the pie and going forward 50-100 Years will be the only reasonable priced energy source. Peaking plants are definitely needed but they want them gone as well

The will power to improve nuclear is a need but we keep messing with large energy wasters and pie in the sky.

Too bad so sad, have fun with half days of power

oil pan 4 08-18-2020 04:49 PM

Solar normally works great for peaking. But you have to be prepared for unusual circumstances or the only possible outcome is blackouts.
I say put solar on homes, it blocks some of the sun off the homes roof too.
I think any large scale solar should be put on roof tops first, give the power to the people.

Xist 08-18-2020 08:19 PM

Does anyone remember when we agreed that people should install solar water heaters before solar panels?

oil pan 4 08-19-2020 12:57 AM

That's when panels were $3 or $4 a watt.
I'm actually watching a few different solar water heater setups on evilbay and I will probably pick one soon.
No one thought premium PV panels would be made in the USA for under $1 per watt.
In at least some municipalities you can do solar water heating and you won't have to get engineering plans approved by the state and inspected. It's pretty easy to DIY some plumbing.

oil pan 4 08-19-2020 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Xist (Post 629755)
Oh if you use math, reason, and logic you will be hated."--OilPan4

Power generation is definitely one of those things where if you do it well you're the bad guy.

rmay635703 08-19-2020 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Xist (Post 629755)
Does anyone remember when we agreed that people should install solar water heaters before solar panels?

No but logically solar heat is more efficient than photovoltaic

freebeard 08-20-2020 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Xist
Does anyone remember when we agreed that people should install solar water heaters before solar panels?

No but logically solar heat is more efficient than photovoltaic
Generation and distribution are legitimate concerns. But it's rubber-meet-road at the point of use. If geodesic dome houses had become the norm in the 1970s the housing stock would be largely converted. The total requirement would be somewhat less. 50%? 10%?

Just having a wind powered ventilation system is a start. Space and water heating. An electrical microgrid if in a Democrat-run state.

jakobnev 08-20-2020 04:51 AM

The duck curve:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYLzss58CLs

Now how to shift energy from noon to evening, or demand from evening to noon?

Energy for hot water can just be stored in the form of hot water. Cooking on the other hand need too high temperatures for that, maybe hydrogen is the solution here, the beauty of using it for cooking is that you don't need an expensive fuel-cell like when using it for electricity storage. And since you don't need small tanks like in a car, lower pressures can be used and a lot of the waste with compression can be avoided.

And the McMansions with low thermal mass, black roofs and huge interior spaces? Perhaps it's time to admit that they were a daft idea all along. We instead need houses with less interior space, with more thermal mass, that are white and even mirrory from all the angles that the sun sees them, that are more connected to nature - and by nature I mean all the free thermal mass of the ground.


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