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Piwoslaw 02-26-2011 08:16 AM

World's first hybrid - Porsche Semper Vivus
 

The 1900 Lohner Porsche Semper Vivus was the world's first gas-electric hybrid, with two 3.5hp electric hub motors. A later version had 4 hub motors, making it the first 4-wheel drive car. The 80 volt bank of 44 batteries weighed in at 1800kg and could not be charged from an external source (as in today's plug-in hybrids) but instead was charged with a rear mounted internal combustion engine.

In 1898 Ferdinand Porsche (only 18 yo at the time) constructed an efficient electrical motor small enough to fit inside a wheel, and two years later built the Semper Vivus with Austrian carriage builder Ludwig Lohner & Co.

Porsche Semper Vivus Hybrid - CarSession.com

Lohner Porsche Semper Vivus

Porsche Semper Vivus - Interia.pl


Arragonis 02-26-2011 10:33 AM

:D Looks fun.

jamesqf 02-26-2011 12:29 PM

In the first picture, is that a brick wall where the radiator usually is?

LUVMY02CREW 02-26-2011 03:31 PM

Thats some pretty slick engineering right there.....

AND..... LMAO at this question:

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Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 222360)
In the first picture, is that a brick wall where the radiator usually is?


Piwoslaw 02-26-2011 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesqf (Post 222360)
In the first picture, is that a brick wall where the radiator usually is?

That's what it looks like:confused: My only guess is that it may be to add weight to the front wheels for traction.

Also, both pictures suggest that the engine is in the front, while the info I found stated that it was rear-mounted. I'm willing to bet that there were a few units built, each slightly different. The second, color picture is a restored version from this year's Geneva show.

groar 02-26-2011 04:56 PM

This is incredible how much this man was ahead his time...

Another page with 3 pictures :
The 1899 Lohner Porsche, the first Hybrid Vehicle?

Have fun,

Denis.

TomO 02-26-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by groar (Post 222396)
This is incredible how much this man was ahead his time...

Yeah, like over 100 years ahead of his time.

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The 80 volt bank of 44 batteries weighed in at 1800kg and could not be charged from an external source (as in today's plug-in hybrids) but instead was charged with a rear mounted internal combustion engine.
So does this mean that GM has to pay royalties to Porsche over the Chevy Volt now? :confused:

bwilson4web 02-27-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Piwoslaw (Post 222319)
. . . two 3.5hp electric hub motors. . . .

In a time where most carriages had one horse, this was brilliant.

Bob Wilson

Piwoslaw 02-28-2011 11:43 AM

More info in texanidiot25's thread.

jamesqf 02-28-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TomO (Post 222406)
So does this mean that GM has to pay royalties to Porsche over the Chevy Volt now? :confused:

No, because the lifetime of a (US) patent is only 20 years.

Indeed, it's just the opposite: GM might not be able to validly patent certain parts of the Volt because Porsche had already done them, making it "prior art".


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