Thwaites Glacier

[RedDevil]

Beachfont homes will wash away this century, but not (likely) within 30 years from now.

But you never know. There's a northwestern storm over the North Sea right now. Parts of Hamburg and other coastal towns in northwest Germany have flooded.

The Oosterscheldekering in Zeeland and other storm surge barriers are all closed. The expected rise is well within limits, so no worries.

The Roman roads around Utrecht (some good distance away from the sea) are buried over a meter deep in the ground, buried under sand, soil and clay sediments from seasonal river flooding. There must be many but they only find them when something gets built. They were on dry land when they were built back then, but are below sea level by now, just like much of the land anyway which would flood if it wasn't for the dikes.

The sea has been rising about an inch a century. It now rises at an inch per decade, and increasing.
The Netherlands won't flood before I die. But my great-grandchildren will have to move unless if we can get the CO2 back down again in time.

[oil pan 4]

The sea level has risen 300 feet over the last 10,000 years.
So the sea level has been rising, will continue to rise and any attempts to stop it are atupid. All the people who live at or below sea level are also stupid. There's only one possible logical outcome to this situation. Why tempt fate?

[RedDevil]

People are stupid for living in the country they are born in, with fertile soil, instead of moving to higher barren ground and starving to death.

Everyone is stupid except yourself - the one failing to see how an manmade exponential increase in sea level rising is a problem.

[freebeard]

But my great-grandchildren will have to move unless if we can get the CO2 back down again in time.

Possibly. It's also possible that the kilometer thick ice will be back.

an manmade exponential increase in sea level rising is a problem.

Adding exponential doesn't help your argument.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Possibly. It's also possible that the kilometer thick ice will be back.



Adding exponential doesn't help your argument.

This would be a great one to pose to the glaciologists.
My take so far is that, with both poles warming faster than anywhere else on the planet, and oceans warming as well, we'll have continuous 'blue ocean' at some point, with no ice at all.
Currents will shut down.
List is long.
FUBAR.

[freebeard]

My take is that we're in an interglacial period, and the Earth is a homeostatic system.

[oil pan 4]

One has to do is move slightly above sea level.
So there's no fertile ground slightly above sea level?
You make it sound like man's actions are some how comparable to the sea level rising 300 feet all on its own.
Let's hope there's another 300 feet of sea level rise before the next ice age.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Possibly. It's also possible that the kilometer thick ice will be back.

Adding exponential doesn't help your argument.

Not within several thousands of years. The Earth would need to lose a gigantic amount of heat for that to happen. As of now, it is only receiving more heat than it emits.

And the rise is trending up. And we're burning more fossil fuel. While the population growth seems on an S curve and not trending up so much anymore, the average worldwide wealth and hence consumption more than makes up for that. In combination it sure is exponential.

Mauna Loa's CO2 level registration is curving up faster than ever:
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

Ah well, let it burn. Not our generation's problem anyway.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The sea level has risen 300 feet over the last 10,000 years.
So the sea level has been rising, will continue to rise and any attempts to stop it are atupid. All the people who live at or below sea level are also stupid. There's only one possible logical outcome to this situation. Why tempt fate?

The interglacial which marked the end of the last ice age is dated a bit further back than 10,000-years if memory serves me.
We entered the Holocene, characterized by extremely stable climate, until Europe burned its forests down, went into a timber crisis, and was forced to turn to coal, and extracting wood from the New World.
We've set plus-220-feet of sea level rise into motion.
We may see it in 5-foot pulses, as the threshold systems disintegrate, as is predicted with Thwaites in 5-years.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Ah well, let it burn. Not our generation's problem anyway.

It does add a touch of drama to the day-to-day grind.