Electric car efficiencies

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

If those are the kind of women who interest you, why not cut out the middleman, and simply pay cash?

Not legal in most states and counties.

The type of woman I would be interested in would jump at the chance to go for a drive (with me) in a Ryland styled car (probably why I'm still single).

I'm just pointing out the nature and tendency of men and women to make decisions based on appealing to the opposite sex. This often involves displays of excess and rarely has anything to do with rational thought.

If people (remember, I speak in generalities) really thought EVs were cool, they would be paying a premium to drive them. When I visited Miami, I saw steady streams of Ferraris and Lamborghinis, but no EVs.

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So I guess the most efficient EV would be the one that had a flock of mindless floozies following me around Miami, in Ferrari's and Lamborghini's.

Dang I missed my calling . My Aunt did offer to set me up as an escort once in Palm Beach, working out of her house.

regards
Mech

[NeilBlanchard]

So, we can drive a CitiCar or a Leaf or a Volt or a Tesla S (when they come out) -- take your pick of a chick/guy magnet?




Oh yeah... such a terrible car...

[Ladogaboy]

Come to Santa Monica/West LA/Hollywood... and EV will get you women. That's why you see so many guys cruising Whole Foods parking lots in their Prius.

[Ladogaboy]

For reference:

Whole Foods Parking Lot - Music Video [HD] - YouTube

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

So, we can drive a CitiCar or a Leaf or a Volt or a Tesla S (when they come out) -- take your pick of a chick/guy magnet?...

Oh yeah... such a terrible car...

The looks are decent enough on the Tesla, sure. EVs will eventually appeal to a growing number of people, but in general, they project the image of either a nerd, or an environmental zealot. The Tesla projects the image of a wealthy nerd.

The longest range model, the Model S, will be priced at $69,900 USD after $7,500 USD U.S. federal tax credit. It will get 300 miles on a full charge. 230 mile and 160 mile variants will also be offered for $59,900 and $49,900 USD, respectively after federal tax credit...

the company says it will produce and ship 1,000 Model S Signature Series vehicles in "mid-2012". Later that year Model S production will partially shift to the 230 mile and 160 mile variants. In total 5,000 Model S variants will be assembled and shipped in 2012, if all goes according to plan.

So not a lot of these will be produced making it difficult to get your hands on one, and they will be priced quite high.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The type of woman I would be interested in would jump at the chance to go for a drive...

Whereas the type of woman I'd be interested in would a) have her own car (and maybe a truck & horse trailer too); and b) not be interested in driving unless it was to get someplace to do something interesting with me.

[NeilBlanchard]

Yes, the Tesla S even in the 160 mile model will be expensive -- about $50,000 minus the $7500 tax credit, I think. But it will be one of the best (if not the best) performing sedan car in the world. So, if you compare it to similar performance sedans, I think it will look inexpensive.

How many $35,000 dollar cars can equal the Leaf for performance? (0-60 in ~7.2 seconds) Remember that a Leaf costs >$10,000 less to operate over 100K miles than a Versa, at today's gas prices. The Leaf is a bigger car than the Versa, that far outperforms it, too. And if you put solar panels on your roof, you save another $3,500/100k miles plus you pay half what you do now for electricity.

What will the price of gasoline be in 6 or 8 years? Will we have to fight any more wars to defend our oil supply? How much less carbon will we put in the atmosphere if we drive electric cars? How much cleaner will the air we all breathe be? How much oil will be spilled?

[Frank Lee]

"Project image of this, project image of that"- what a bunch of isht. Nobody gives a horse's platoot about who drives what. When I see an exotic car/average car/beater, chances are very high I don't know who's in it, and I ain't gonna ever know either so whatever I might think of the owner means nothing. Most of the time- if it occurs to me to form an opinion of someone based on their car at all- it's pity, knowing they're working their butt off at some boring job to support that expensive vehicle.

Stupid people spending so much time and money trying to impress strangers they'll never meet...

And we're going to "need" more wars regardless of oil- can't have all those men and equipment sitting around doing nothing.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

Whereas the type of woman I'd be interested in would a) have her own car (and maybe a truck & horse trailer too); and b) not be interested in driving unless it was to get someplace to do something interesting with me.

Exactly my point. You want a woman with an ET (electric truck), which doesn't exist yet.

So far our options are a very expensive and kinda cool EV (Tesla) or expensive and unexciting cars such as the Leaf.

*Again, I'm describing the average person, not us geeks of technology and champions of the environment.

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

How many $35,000 dollar cars can equal the Leaf for performance? (0-60 in ~7.2 seconds) Remember that a Leaf costs >$10,000 less to operate over 100K miles than a Versa, at today's gas prices...

What will the price of gasoline be in 6 or 8 years? Will we have to fight any more wars to defend our oil supply? How much less carbon will we put in the atmosphere if we drive electric cars? How much cleaner will the air we all breathe be? How much oil will be spilled?

Yes, all very nice things and I'm looking forward to the plethora of benefits my eventual electric car will bring, but the Leaf still has an image problem for most people.

Reducing oil consumption now will have virtually no impact on reducing overall carbon levels because the oil will eventually be consumed by someone else as long as the price is relatively cheap. The air I breath is quite clean though, so I expect I won't see any difference in the future.