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All Road is a longitudinal engine Quattro variant descended from the NSU/Audi 80. Which was rebadged by VW as the B2 Passat. Which was rebadged in Brazil and the USofA as the Dasher. Here's the three-door [diesel] hatchback.
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10-11-2019, 05:15 PM
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10-11-2019, 10:28 PM
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All Road is a longitudinal engine Quattro variant descended from the NSU/Audi 80. Which was rebadged by VW as the B2 Passat. Which was rebadged in Brazil and the USofA as the Dasher.
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AFAIK the Dasher is a B1 Passat. BTW the Dasher nameplate was never used in Brazil. |
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10-12-2019, 01:44 AM
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I checked Wikipedia. You're right. Twice.
This [self-declared European] guy I met at an Arcimoto event said it was related to the NSU Ro-80.The major differences besides the sheet metal is that the Ro-80 had semi-trailing arms in the rear vs a twist-beam axle, and of course the rotary engine.
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01-30-2020, 04:07 PM
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Found a great info graphic demonstrating why cross overs are ruining the car buying experience
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01-31-2020, 01:05 PM
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Well, isn't a crossover actually on a car platform? So, if it's a crossover, it's really a tall car cabin with a "lift kit," no?
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Well, isn't a crossover actually on a car platform? So, if it's a crossover, it's really a tall car cabin with a "lift kit," no?
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You’ve just described a minivan |
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01-31-2020, 02:59 PM
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So does that mean by definition an SUV is a body on frame construction rather than unibody? I'm not sure where crossover came from, because we've had the CR-V since 1997, and my guess is it was called a small SUV back then.
These distinctions are getting ridiculous. Apparently there's a difference between a hatchback, and a liftback, and both of those are different than a station wagon how?
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01-31-2020, 03:05 PM
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As someone who recently bought a subcompact crossover I’ve been just telling myself it’s just a hatchback with a lift kit lol
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I get that lifted cars are easier to ingress/egress, but is that really worth poorer handling and fuel efficiency? I'd rather be slightly inconvenienced for the moment it takes to get in/out, than sustain worse fuel economy over the course of the trip and have reduced handling/safety.
My company car is a CX-5, which I guess would be considered a midsize crossover. It's a fine car, but doesn't hold a candle to my 2006 Acura TSX. Now that's a car that wants to be driven, and it gets better fuel economy.
My ex Prius (as of Sunday) probably has even more utility/cargo space than the CX-5, or at least seems to be about as useful in that regard.
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