ideas for first car

[freebeard]

taxes : are based of car year and emissions for some cars (new cars) in older vehicles are based of year and discplacent and we have some a weird tax called luxury tax ( bad translation ) if a car is over 2l you need to pay 300 euro more if its 2,3 L you will need to pay 400 something euro and it goes...)

'Watts' the situation with electrical vehicles?

[Ecky]

In terms of the lowest maintenance cost and lowest rate of failure, the Yaris would be top of the list. Not exactly a thrilling car to own, granted.

The easiest and cheapest to maintain cars are typically Japanese. Were it me, I'd keep an eye out for a diesel Mazda demio/2. I know Honda and Toyota both sell small turbodiesels as well, but perhaps not in your market.

[jimchitas]

Originally Posted by freebeard

'Watts' the situation with electrical vehicles?

Well taxation is extremely low , but people here are" poor" so we dont have a lot eletric cars besides some toyota , Hyundai hybrids or some evs i rarely see teslas but they cost a fortune for the greek average citizen

[freebeard]

Well taxation is extremely low...

That should tip the balance a little, shouldn't it?

...but people here are" poor" so we dont have a lot eletric cars besides some toyota , Hyundai hybrids or some evs

How about the Toyota Highlandet/Lexus LX400h?

For the Myers Manx I'm promoting there are essentially three build levels. First is the way they did it in the 1970s, a forklift motor and lead acid batteries. See Project Forkenswift from 2007 (Index in 1st post)

What changed is OEM pieces and parts -- motors, controllers and batteries. An example would be the electric axle from the Toyota/Lexus hybrid: ecomodder.com/forum: Hot-rodding the Toyota MGR



I got this far with this one, unit in the subframe, minus the motor mounts, controller, batteries, battery box, etc., & etc. It would just as well go into my Geo Metro.

The high end would be the way VW themselves do it, a complete eUP! drivetrain:

VW Vortex
VW is providing electric powertrains to convert...
It has been developed in part with a Stuttgart-based EV conversion company called eClassics. Classic VWs converted to electricity aren't new, but the fact that this uses a complete VW electric powertrain is. Replacing the air-cooled flat-four-cylinder engine is the electric motor and single-speed transmission...

Greece is part of a Union, is it not?

[jimchitas]

Greece is part of a Union, is it not?[/QUOTE]

yea european union ! still we somehow manage to be horrible

[freebeard]

Carscoops
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You said you have worked on friend's cars. Do you have access to shop space?

Off-topically, my daily source for news commentary is from Greece/Cyprus, www.youtube.com/@AlexChristoforou.

edit: If you say a homebrew EV is off the table I'll shut up about it.

[Ecky]

For my own first car, I did not buy what was the most rational choice. I got a high-strung Honda with an open top. It had a good reputation for reliability and fuel economy was what most considered "very good" where I grew up (around 6.7L/100km or 35mpg). I also looked at an MX-5 (which also have stellar reputations for reliability, but are worse on fuel) and a VW Golf, which was falling apart and had a ton of electrical issues. I picked the Honda, if I'm being honest, because it was the quickest and coolest, and I happened to be able to rationalize the choice.

Ultimately, you'll get what calls to you, and you'll learn from it. Your second car will be considerably different than your first, from the lessons you learn. This is ok. These are old, used, inexpensive cars, and none of them will set you back too badly financially.

I'll be curious to see what you pick, and how it goes.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

I guess it might not be too hard to find a Fiat with the FIRE engine in Greece. Unless you're a die-hard dieselhead, and would consider a gasser, this would be probably the most cost-effective option. FIRE engines are almost Brazilian-proof enough

Originally Posted by Ecky

For my own first car, I did not buy what was the most rational choice. I got a high-strung Honda with an open top.

CRX Del Sol?

[jimchitas]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

I guess it might not be too hard to find a Fiat with the FIRE engine in Greece. Unless you're a die-hard dieselhead, and would consider a gasser, this would be probably the most cost-effective option. FIRE engines are almost Brazilian-proof enough




CRX Del Sol?

im neither diesel head or petrol head i love both -
in greece we got plenty of fire engines due to their low displacemnt they are good options i have seen some issues with 1.4 turbo ones, efficiency is decent i think bsfc is above average for their power output overall for a gas engines is fine i got only one friend who owns a fire its grande punto 1.4 turbo he have done some change some values to ecu- a downpipe- exhaust making 160 hp with 200k km idk he sayings its a trouble car so why not a diesel one with more efficiency ,only advantage might be cornering with petrol one thanks

[jimchitas]

Originally Posted by freebeard

You said you have worked on friend's cars. Do you have access to shop space?

Off-topically, my daily source for news commentary is from Greece/Cyprus, www.youtube.com/@AlexChristoforou.

edit: If you say a homebrew EV is off the table I'll shut up about it.

not something crazy just a small garage with most basic tools