Pilot program tests new fee to replace gas tax

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

The drop to 15 ppm was required for 2007 EPA emissions

When some EPA07-certified International engines were released in my country in late-2005, standard Diesel fuel still had 1800ppm of sulphur, and a so-called "Metropolitan Diesel" had 500ppm. This may explain why the NGD9.3 got a bad reputation among local truckers, being only fitted to some Volkswagen trucks before it got replaced by some Cummins engines.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

When some EPA07-certified International engines were released in my country in late-2005, standard Diesel fuel still had 1800ppm of sulphur, and a so-called "Metropolitan Diesel" had 500ppm. This may explain why the NGD9.3 got a bad reputation among local truckers, being only fitted to some Volkswagen trucks before it got replaced by some Cummins engines.

EPA07 engines did not exist in 2005. Nobody was making the new engines before they were absolutely necessary and 2006 had a huge preorder for people that don't want to deal with the new emissions tech.

However, there are issues with selling used US Spec trucks into Central and South America. We have kits to remove the emission equipment and decertify them to the local emission standard

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by JSH

EPA07 engines did not exist in 2005. Nobody was making the new engines before they were absolutely necessary and 2006 had a huge preorder for people that don't want to deal with the new emissions tech.

However, there are issues with selling used US Spec trucks into Central and South America. We have kits to remove the emission equipment and decertify them to the local emission standard

Euro IV directive 2005 existed and from an equipment standpoint wasn’t much different than EPA07 even if the levels allowed were slightly different

[Piotrsko]

Originally Posted by JSH

EPA07 engines did not exist in 2005. Nobody was making the new engines before they were absolutely necessary and 2006 had a huge preorder for people that don't want to deal with the new emissions tech.

However, there are issues with selling used US Spec trucks into Central and South America. We have kits to remove the emission equipment and decertify them to the local emission standard

Im understanding the blocks and components existed to meet Cali epa prior to Epa07, but nobody wanted them. Our 05 bluebird met the 07 spec, and got taken away for SANFRAN Apcd use by GSA. Odd bus, was assembled from leftover parts.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

EPA07 engines did not exist in 2005.

Both International and Ford advertised the NGD 3.0 engine fitted to the Argentinian Ranger from late-'05 to '11 as already compliant to EPA07 from the start, even though that standard was actually stricter than the Euro-3 which became enforced in Brazil at that same time.

Nobody was making the new engines before they were absolutely necessary and 2006 had a huge preorder for people that don't want to deal with the new emissions tech.

Even though electronically-governed engines were not unheard of at that time, in late-'05 they became more widespread here for Euro-3 compliance. Only some cabovers from Volkswagen, Agrale and Ford, and local variants of the F-350, retained some all-mechanical engine back then. But I really don't know why International refered to EPA07 when Brazil and some neighboring countries are more used to the Euro standard as a reference.

However, there are issues with selling used US Spec trucks into Central and South America. We have kits to remove the emission equipment and decertify them to the local emission standard

I remember this issue with the 2nd generation of the Mercedes-Benz ML and the Dodge Ram. Even the fuel filters had to be replaced by others with a higher density of their filtering element.

[JSH]

EPA04 added EGR
EPA07 added particulate filters
EPA10 added SCR injection (DEF)

HD Diesel Emission Standards (NOx / PM)



Brazil got Euro 3 in 2006, Euro 4 in 2009, and Euro 5 in 2012

EDIT:

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

Both International and Ford advertised the NGD 3.0 engine fitted to the Argentinian Ranger from late-'05 to '11 as already compliant to EPA07 from the start, even though that standard was actually stricter than the Euro-3 which became enforced in Brazil at that same time.

You are talking about a light-duty diesel engine. That is were we got mixed up. EPA07 is a Heavy Duty emission regulation and doesn't apply to light-duty engines. I thought you were saying Ford was putting diesel particulate filters on their Ford HD trucks 7 years before they were required.

Also Euro 3 Light Duty diesel regulations are completely different from Euro 3 for Heavy Duty diesels. LD diesels got particulate filters years before HD diesels.

[Xist]

For all that I know our fuel pumps had red diesel. In 5.5 years I never actually saw the fuel, although I do remember one driver managing to spill fuel, so that would have been weird. She called it in on the radio.

I keep visualizing her screaming because it is red! Why is it red! It isn't supposed to be red!

I wondered how she messed up and if it would evaporate before the mechanic got there.

[JSH]

School buses are exempt from federal fuel taxes so it is very likely your buses were running red dyed diesel (It would also make it easy to see if employees were stealing diesel for their personal vehicles)

Diesel is much slower to evaporate than gasoline. That is why the areas around diesel pumps look like an oil slick unless the fuel station regularly cleans them.

[Xist]

We had our own pumps, so I am sure they had exempt undyed fuel delivered.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by JSH

EPA04 added EGR
EPA07 added particulate filters
EPA10 added SCR injection (DEF)

So the claims from International that its NGD engines met EPA07 were a lie, as they didn't have particulate filters, and I also don't remember seeing any EGR on them.

Brazil got Euro 3 in 2006, Euro 4 in 2009, and Euro 5 in 2012

Euro-4 was actually skipped due to the 2008 asset bubble crisis, while Euro-5 was anticipated in order to compensate for the higher emissions that vehicles which would otherwise comply to Euro-4.

Euro 3 Light Duty diesel regulations are completely different from Euro 3 for Heavy Duty diesels. LD diesels got particulate filters years before HD diesels.

Particulate filters were absent from vehicles certified as Euro-3 here, and only became more common once Euro-5 was implemented.