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Old 06-19-2021, 03:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 06-19-2021, 04:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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John Lively is my elected representative. Interesting, that Oregon was the first state to tax gasoline in 1919.

The rebuttal to the loss of privacy is variable pricing?

The tax doubles (else halves) when you cross the Broadway Bridge. That's like when you cross the bridge in Springfield (OR) and the price of elctricity as a utility doubles.
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Funny that they act like this is new when I signed up in 2018.

The rebuttal to loss of privacy is that you don't have to be tracked. OreGO has an option to just pay for total miles driven. The downside is that you pay for every mile whether it was driven in the State of Oregon or elsewhere. If you do choose a GPS based system it is only used to determine taxable miles and the data is discarded after 30 day.

What they talk about at the end with variable rates is a new trial for congestion charging. I signed up for it but didn't make the cut. (They were paying people to participate)
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You should really have all three: Carbon dioxide tax on the carbon dioxide, road wear tax on the road wear and congestion tax on the congestion.

You need to tax the actual thing you need to tax.
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You should really have all three: Carbon dioxide tax on the carbon dioxide, road wear tax on the road wear and congestion tax on the congestion.

You need to tax the actual thing you need to tax.
No no we need to subsidize semis and pickups with clean burning cars because everyone needs to pay their fair share which should be the same whether you ride a bicycle or drive a semi
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Assuming we ignore the fact that this is basicly a tax cut for gas guzzlers and a tax increase for efficient vehicles:
Road wear increases roughly to the cube of vehicle weight.
If you want to tax for wear, tax heavier vehicles more.
Something like x cents per km*ton^3
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Dumb observation here. If I buy gasoline for my lawn mower, generator or Skidoo, do I get taxed for road wear? So what would be the difference if there were a flat tax on electricity for roads?
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the data is discarded after 30 day.
Just like the TSA full body scanners that couldn't save or or upload images. Anyone who said they could or might save and/or upload images was a crazy conspiracy theorist. And it was later discovered the machines in question could infact save and upload images.
After recent events how can anyone trust the government with anything?
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Do you meant like a farm tractor? Yes and no. There’s two kinds of road tax, one you pay at the DMV, which a farm tractor doesn’t pay at all, and another at the pump at a gas station. A farm tractor qualifies to use untaxed fuel, but that doesn’t mean they do so. If a farmer has their own fuel tank on the farm then it’s surely not taxed but if they’re driving up to a gas station to tank up it’s likely they’re paying the tax.
You can also get exempted fuel at a boat marina. Some places, that is the only way you can get clear premium.
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Dumb observation here. If I buy gasoline for my lawn mower, generator or Skidoo, do I get taxed for road wear?
Even if you were brewing moonshine to use as a motor fuel, most likely the feedstock would've been already taxed

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