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Old 06-24-2021, 10:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Just like the TSA full body scanners that couldn't save or or upload images. Anyone who said they could or might save and/or upload images was a crazy conspiracy theorist. And it was later discovered the machines in question could infact save and upload images.
After recent events how can anyone trust the government with anything?
I don't have to trust the government. I deal with Azuga not the State of Oregon. (Azuga is GPS fleet management company)

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Dumb observation here. If I buy gasoline for my lawn mower, generator or Skidoo, do I get taxed for road wear? So what would be the difference if there were a flat tax on electricity for roads?
I know of no easy procedure to avoid that tax except distill your own fuel from plant materials you grew.

Here in NV you can get a refund for nonroad use, but it is purposefully annoying to persue.

Most airports and marinas have a use tax applied to the fuel, and since government is aware people will attempt to eschew that tax and use it in their autos, it is equivalent to the road tax.

The stationary users of road taxed electrical would probably violently revolt if charged thusly.

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I know of no easy procedure to avoid that tax
The stationary users of road taxed electrical would probably violently revolt if charged thusly.
There are already municipal substation taxes levied on every kwhr produced nationwide only way to avoid is to have your own substation

Sad part is these can be very high by percentage of your bill higher than gas tax
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Here in NV you can get a refund for nonroad use, but it is purposefully annoying to persue.
Here in Brazil it used to be a common practice to charge different prices to fuel according to the payment method. I guess a similar approach to exempt taxes on fuel for non-road use directly at the gas station has not beem implemented there in NV only because it would become harder for government to find out if someone is cheating. Unless a specific dye for non-road fuel similar to what is done in England for "agricultural" gasoline became a common practice there too.
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If you charge a straight one-size-fits-all tax then it's hard or impossible to get around it. You either pay the tax or don't buy the commodity or service.

But if you branch out the tax into different levels for the same service or commodity then the it becomes a game of cheating the system.
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it becomes a game of cheating the system
People would still try to find loopholes in a straight one-size-fits-all tax system.
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I remember hearing that red diesel is the same as normal diesel, except it isn't taxed, so don't get caught with red fuel in your pickup's tank!

Who exactly would be checking and why?

Also, red has a higher sulfur content. It isn't taxed because it is prohibited from use on roads: https://www.corsefuels.com/2019/03/1...clear-vs-dyed/
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I remember hearing that red diesel is the same as normal diesel, except it isn't taxed, so don't get caught with red fuel in your pickup's tank!

Who exactly would be checking and why?

Also, red has a higher sulfur content. It isn't taxed because it is prohibited from use on roads: https://www.corsefuels.com/2019/03/1...clear-vs-dyed/
Red doesn't have more sulfur, at least not in Oregon. I wish it did, because then it would be cheaper and contain more natural lubrication for fuel pumps and contain a little more energy. When ultra low sulfur became standard, things like fuel pumps began failing at higher rates, and some would add oil to their fuel to make up for the lubrication that was lost due to the sulfur removal process.

Red is heating oil and off-road use (farm use) with dye in it, but otherwise identical.

An inspector could dip a fuel tank with a stick, or swab the exhaust to detect use of red on a road vehicle. I've never heard of anyone having that happen to them. I expect most of the diesel trucks with diesel tanks and pumps in their beds to be running the lower taxed fuel.

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I remember hearing that red diesel is the same as normal diesel, except it isn't taxed, so don't get caught with red fuel in your pickup's tank!

Who exactly would be checking and why?

Also, red has a higher sulfur content. It isn't taxed because it is prohibited from use on roads: https://www.corsefuels.com/2019/03/1...clear-vs-dyed/
Who checks for off-road diesel?

Local police, sheriff department or state police. They can dip the tank or check the fuel filter to see if it is dyed red. For heavy duty trucks they can just look at the fuel / water separator which usually have a clear housing.

Why?

It is illegal to run off-highway diesel in a road vehicle. High sulfur diesel fuel will also damage emissions equipment on vehicles designed to run on ULSD.

In Oregon the fine for running off-highway diesel on the road is up to $10,000

When I lived in Michigan it wasn't uncommon for police to set up check stations at grain elevators or sugar beet depots. Checks also happen at scales and other points were commercial trucks are checked for compliance. I've heard on diesel forums of state police setting up a checkpoint and checking all diesel vehicles (like a DUI checkpoint or motorcycle enforcement checkpoint) but haven't every seen one myself.


EDIT: Off-Highway diesel used to have a lot more sulfur than on-highway. It was 3000 ppm prior to 2007. It was 500 ppm from 2007 - 2010, and now is 15 ppm.

On-Highway diesel was 600 ppm prior to 1994. 500 ppm from 1994 to 2006 and now is 15 ppm.

The drop to 15 ppm was required for 2007 EPA emissions

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I remember when the School had us put died diesel into the buses since as a school they didn't have to pay taxes. That stopped only when they stopped selling died diesel locally.

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