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 05-21-2012, 05:14 PM #1 (permalink) EcoModding Lurker   Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts 10 to 12 mpg improvement is the same as 30 to 60 mpg So I got my spreadsheet out and low and behold it works out that Vehicle A going from 10 mpg to 12 mpg at X miles/year will give the same reduction in number of gallons/year as Vehicle B going from 30 mpg to 60 mpg, when both vehicles travel the same number of miles. This seemingly paradoxical calculation is probably well known on this forum but I think Joe Public and Joe Politician or even Consumer Reports do not seem to know this. When you hear Consumer Reports saying A/C use give about a 1 mpg reduction. Or when going from 10 mpg to 12 mpg is reported as 20% improvement is reported as being equivalent to another vehicle going from 30 mpg to 36 mpg as also a 20% improvement and mistakenly concluding that, as both were 20% improvements in mpg, that they have equal fuel consumption reduction impact. That's right motoring press even % improvements in mpg are not comparable. I wonder if the 2 or 3 mpg differences once you get into the high 40s, low 50s are sometimes given too much emphasis. Last edited by briank; 05-21-2012 at 05:36 PM..
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 05-21-2012, 05:22 PM #2 (permalink) ...beats walking...   Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: . Posts: 6,191 Thanks: 179 Thanked 1,521 Times in 1,122 Posts ..."ratios" will do that to/for you. ...ain't playing with numbers a lot of FUN? 1.2 = 12/10 ...but: 2.0 = 60/30 Last edited by gone-ot; 05-21-2012 at 06:35 PM.. Reason: added examples to support tjts1 answer below
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 Originally Posted by briank 10 to 12 mpg improvement is the same as 30 to 60 mpg
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1.67 gal saved per 100 miles, either way.

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 Originally Posted by briank I wonder if the 2 or 3 mpg differences once you get into the high 40s, low 50s are sometimes given too much emphasis.
At this level, it's a competitive sport, done for fun. Nothing wrong with a little fun.

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 Originally Posted by tortoise 1.67 gal saved per 100 miles, either way.

Agreed, the only difference is (for an average vehicle) it's much easier to go from 10mpg to 12mpg than 30 to 60 mpg.
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No and you're missing the point.

 05-21-2012, 09:18 PM #8 (permalink) Master EcoModder     Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: USA Posts: 346 Canyon - '07 GMC Canyon 2wd regular cab 90 day: 24.95 mpg (US) Thanks: 41 Thanked 39 Times in 24 Posts Yes, the MPG Illusion. Duke Professors Jack Soll and Richard Larrick discovered this a while back - that mpg works in terms of diminishing returns such that gains made on fuel thirstier vehicles save more fuel. In truth, and they articulated this in the video, mpg is a poor measurement of FE, for the simple fact that it isn't linear. __________________ EcoDriving: Turning more fuel into usable forward motion.
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 Originally Posted by tjts1 No and you're missing the point.
No AND I'm missing the point?

Let's start with the "no". There's NOT 1.67 gallon saved per 100 miles, either way? How much IS saved in each 100 miles driven, in each situation?

I agree that I don't see your point, though. Help me.