Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Fossil Fuel Free
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-14-2019, 11:59 AM   #121 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 670
Thanks: 18
Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by teknomage2012 View Post
The most fair apportionment of road maintenance, TIRES tax where the rubber meets the road!
That would have me registering the car with Summer tires, then switching to studded tires until the next registration. Too much room for cheating.

Can't cheat your odometer and Gross vehicle weight rating.

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 06-14-2019, 12:46 PM   #122 (permalink)
EcoModding Newb
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 7,079

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 28.07 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 27.08 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2,335
Thanked 2,758 Times in 2,038 Posts
I wonder how much more damage they actually do? Studded tires should probably just be taxed more at the point of sale.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 02:30 PM   #123 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 670
Thanks: 18
Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts
Yes, based on the projected usable miles of the tire. Then you would pay for the whole usage, no mater how long it took. That tax should be separate from the vehical weight/miles driven tax. Not everyone uses or needs studded tires, but even those who don't, drive on the roads.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 02:44 PM   #124 (permalink)
EcoModding Newb
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 7,079

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 28.07 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 27.08 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2,335
Thanked 2,758 Times in 2,038 Posts
Surprisingly, I have zero experience driving with studded tires. That said, winter tires are phenomenal. I don't know how much better studded tires are on ice, but I still don't think I would consider studded tires because:

1. They wear out the road faster the 99.99% of the time you don't need the extra bite
2. Noisy
3. I'd inevitably be lazy and not get them removed in time to avoid a fine
4. Because of the 3 reasons above, I'd probably delay mounting studded tires until after the time I need them

I carry Z-chains, which is the best solution for infrequent need of extra winter traction. It amazes me that people in the valley here still get studded tires.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 04:04 PM   #125 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,209
Thanks: 225
Thanked 807 Times in 591 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by teknomage2012 View Post
The most fair apportionment of road maintenance, TIRES tax where the rubber meets the road!
Only if you get a rebate for tires destroyed by road damage. To be fair, though, it'd have to be pro-rated for use, of course, and that gets you into the same sorts of problems as any other per-mile charge.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 04:09 PM   #126 (permalink)
EcoModding Newb
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 7,079

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 28.07 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 27.08 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2,335
Thanked 2,758 Times in 2,038 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesqf View Post
Only if you get a rebate for tires destroyed by road damage. To be fair, though, it'd have to be pro-rated for use, of course, and that gets you into the same sorts of problems as any other per-mile charge.
We can assume the tires will get full use, and tax appropriately.

Registration fees aren't concerned if you drive 24/7/365, or not a single time. We don't seem to care about that.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 07:27 PM   #127 (permalink)
Rat Racer
 
Fat Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Route 16
Posts: 3,460

Al the Third, year four - '13 Honda Fit Base
Team Honda
90 day: 42.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,360
Thanked 1,510 Times in 957 Posts
I don't get a rebate on my sales tax if anything else I buy gets broken, why should it happen for tires?

I'm a fan.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepdog44 View Post
Transmission type Efficiency
Manual neutral engine off.100% @MPG <----- Fun Fact.
Manual 1:1 gear ratio .......98%
CVT belt ............................88%
Automatic .........................86%

  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 09:32 PM   #128 (permalink)
Not Doug
 
Xist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Show Low, AZ
Posts: 8,613

Chorizo - '00 Honda Civic HX, baby! :D
90 day: 35.35 mpg (US)

Mid-Life Crisis Fighter - '99 Honda Accord LX
90 day: 36.15 mpg (US)

Mom's grandmamobile - '06 Toyota Camry SE
Thanks: 5,784
Thanked 1,637 Times in 1,243 Posts
Got caught with inadequate tires? Your fine is XXX and the shop that installed them is fined the same amount.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 10:55 PM   #129 (permalink)
EcoModding Newb
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 7,079

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 28.07 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 27.08 mpg (US)
Thanks: 2,335
Thanked 2,758 Times in 2,038 Posts
I won't have someone telling me what an adequate tire is for my vehicle and driving conditions. Who would know better than me, in the vehicle I'm driving, for the conditions I'm driving in?

Always makes me chuckle when signs say you must carry chains or traction tires. All tires are traction tires.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2019, 11:27 PM   #130 (permalink)
Rat Racer
 
Fat Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Route 16
Posts: 3,460

Al the Third, year four - '13 Honda Fit Base
Team Honda
90 day: 42.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,360
Thanked 1,510 Times in 957 Posts
Inadequate = Insufficient load rating or tread depth below minimum.

__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepdog44 View Post
Transmission type Efficiency
Manual neutral engine off.100% @MPG <----- Fun Fact.
Manual 1:1 gear ratio .......98%
CVT belt ............................88%
Automatic .........................86%

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com