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Old 12-30-2011, 11:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I wouldn't consider lack of HID lights to be cutting corners
Who said anything about HIDs? Re read my post, i'm talking about PROJECTORs not HIDs. Projectors can have either halogen or HID bulbs. Most new cars (even very cheap ones) have projector headlights with normal hallogen bulbs. Reflector headlights on the Focus just screams of cutting corners. It was pretty easy to see the cost cutting when the jetta ditched its projectors for reflectors even on the high end models.

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Projectors with halogen bulbs SUCK. They don't put out as much light on the road as 9006 halogen bulbs in reflector housings. Projectors look pretty and have a nice sharp cutoff but my old Corolla had a pretty sharp cutoff.

The only thing with halogen projectors is that you can throw in HIDs with reasonably controlled glare, although the glare is still there. But my brother got HIR (halogen infrared reflecting) bulbs for his Mitsubishi Outlander which claim to pump out 2,200 lumens vs. 3,000 lumens in a 4300k HID bulb vs. 1,000 lumens in a typical halogen bulb. They don't look fancy and have the same colour temperature as a regular old halogen. It looks noticeably brighter than a stock halogen bulb for sure.

Anyway back on topic, I test drove a 2012 Focus manual, I loved the car. The shifter feels superb, but too bad it's only a 5 speed. My wife doesn't like it though, it's quite cramped in the back compared to Hyundai Elantra and even Mazda 3.
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Who said anything about HIDs? Re read my post, i'm talking about PROJECTORs not HIDs. Projectors can have either halogen or HID bulbs. Most new cars (even very cheap ones) have projector headlights with normal hallogen bulbs. Reflector headlights on the Focus just screams of cutting corners. It was pretty easy to see the cost cutting when the jetta ditched its projectors for reflectors even on the high end models.
I was unaware that projectors were even offered with Edison bulbs, so thanks for pointing this out. Regardless, my overall idea stands, that what you might consider cutting corners is actually just a company trying to meet a particular price point.

I would pay extra to have HID projector lamps in my car, but many people would not. I trust that Ford knows what the average consumer demands and is willing to pay more than I do. Sometimes a consumers lack of interest in a particular feature isn't due to being unimpressed with the technology, but instead sheer ignorance of its existence.

Now, if many people don't know what a projector lens is, or they don't care to pay extra for the technology, is Ford to blame for "cutting corners", or are they just delivering what they believe the consumer demands.

Every single thing in life is a cut corner (compromise).
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I'm driving the 2012 Focus and it's awesome. In my opinion it's one of the few 40mpg cars out there that doesn't feel like I'm sacrificing something by driving it. Recently I posted about getting 50mpg over 1000miles. I've driven another 1000 miles and averaged 38mpg or so. Therefore I think it was a data error or unseen change that made the mpgs jump.

The car feels great on the road and I'm glad I got the hatchback. I have the 203a package with auto in sonic blue.



What speed were you driving to achieve 50 mpg? What hypermiling techniques did you use, if any? I'm averaging around 43 mpg in my 2012 Focus S sedan so far, and am always looking to improve my gas mileage. Thanks.
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Some of the changes for the 2012.5 that are now in full force for the 2013 MY included adding a manual no cost option to the Titanium, dropping sonic blue, and Flexfuel certification(If you're like me and care about factory Ethanol support). They also dropped the SE handling package into the $2500 appearance package. So if I want the handling package with the hatchback I'm looking at $22500. :-/

I was looking at the Focus SE as a cheaper alternative to the Toyobaru Twins since the Focus has decent back seats and cargo room. But now if I want 6spd, dark blue, and disc brakes I can go with the Focus ST. Only problem is now the price is the same +-$1k. The Focus ST has more HP but it's also 400lbs heavier than the Twins. It's still too early for me to think about test driving anything, even though I'd like to.
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Projectors with halogen bulbs SUCK. They don't put out as much light on the road as 9006 halogen bulbs in reflector housings. Projectors look pretty and have a nice sharp cutoff but my old Corolla had a pretty sharp cutoff.
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