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Old 01-06-2018, 04:53 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Early reporting on start-stop,was that it would improve urban mpg by 7%.
Also,the EPA recommended,that if you idled an engine more than 30-seconds,it was better to stop the engine and restart it.
It's zero-mpg.It's carbon dioxide.It's waste.Entropy.A long list.....................
I can't address the wear issue.Most owners don't own a vehicle long enough to wear anything out.

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You have heard of Volkswagen and Chrysler, right?
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Old 01-07-2018, 10:14 PM   #104 (permalink)
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The only benefit I could discern,would be gridlock behind a semi which cannot make it through a green traffic light,due to very slow acceleration, after the cars which preceed it, have already cleared the intersection.
I saw this with a Swift rig when I went to meetup with BamZipPow.Perhaps,ten cars,which otherwise would have cleared the intersection, had to wait on at least one more signal light cycle delay before proceeding.
It's a lot of zero-mpgs for the other motorists.
Eaton custom-calibrated the Transmission Control Module (TCM) in our 18 speed Automated Manual Transmission (AMT) to skip shift when not fully loaded to somewhat mitigate a scenario like the intersection example above.

They just released a new purpose built transmission that shifts much faster than the robotized manual transmission that I have in the StarShip. But I don't have one. Yet.

The current AMTs are just converted manuals with a robot clutch (no clutch pedal) and robot servo shifting in lieu of a manual shifter. It also has an electric paddle-type shifter so I can shift it anywhere in the RPM band that I want to.
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Old 01-10-2018, 07:17 AM   #105 (permalink)
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I literally came from this page to here. We've got a live one.

I think big rigs clearing the intersection expeditiously on Green is a win for everyone.
As an address to the statement, not any one person:

You aren’t going to like the corollary to that statement

How do you explain it as “a win”? (Other than as impatience).

The impact of acceleration rate on fuel economy is huge. Obvious.

“You” (everyone in a car) drive around in an insanely overpowered vehicle (what’s necessary versus what’s desired). Please load the vehicle to within 10% if the axle ratings. Use a CAT Scale to verify.

Acceleration from a dead stop in an 80,000-lb tanker with an eighteen-speed trans means 13th or 14th gear before the truck is really moving. About 25-mph and up.

Traffic volume, just like commercial traffic, are facts of life. (I’ll keep repeating that).

Is your “best practice” while at the posted Interstate limit to cut in front of the big truck with less than 200’ clearance to make your exit?

“You” do it regularly, don’t you?

Hurry to pass and jam up against other cars in front of the big truck going into a construction zone?

Bumper to bumper with other cars coming down the entrance ramp expecting the big truck with ROW to relinquish that?

Jamming the left lane to prevent a big truck from passing?

And so on.

This is the norm. Today.

What’s it like to be a petulant child when at the wheel?

Traffic volume dictates average mph, as vehicle spacing is the control.

All the vehicle mods and driving stunts for FE are ineffective, meaningless without that fundamental.

IOW, won’t produce satisfactory results. Why contributors leave this site.

As a society we’re long past the point a car is leverage.

Necessary isnt the same as beneficial.

Moving freight is a fact. A truck driver responding to the flow is fact. Blaming the truck for what it is is nearly as stupid as drafting one.

Those who disregard spacing as a central tenet sacrifice safety, fuel economy and vehicle longevity. A thorough defeat of the money spent and promised for the leverage of a private automobile. High risk, high cost.

Back to the beginning: if the light is green “you” never slow prior to the major four-way intersection just ahead, do “you”?

Investigation of the relation of average mph to average mpg will defeat the sixteen year old at the wheel.

Slay the inner child.


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I think big rigs clearing the intersection expeditiously on Green is a win for everyone.
As an address to the statement, not any one person:

You aren’t going to like the corollary to that statement

How do you explain it as “a win”? (Other than as impatience).

The impact of acceleration rate on fuel economy is huge. Obvious.

“You” (everyone in a car) drive around in an insanely overpowered vehicle (what’s necessary versus what’s desired). Please load the vehicle to within 10% if the axle ratings. Use a CAT Scale to verify.
...so on and so forth

I was thinking of bicyclists.

Beat me daddy eight to the bar.

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Passive “entertainment “ doesn’t follow from breathing. Not natural. Enslaved by television and all else since 1963. The Hertz rate of Hell. Music that exhibits no musicality.

The spaces between the notes aren’t there for studio manipulation. First, they have to seen to exist. Remove even the idea, and it’s the cacophony of traffic. No one catches their breath.

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Passive “entertainment “ doesn’t follow from breathing. Not natural. Enslaved by television and all else since 1963. The Hertz rate of Hell. Music that exhibits no musicality.
Are we talking 50/60 Hz mains power or the excruciating 15,625 Hz horizontal flyback frequency squeal?
A = 440 Hz vs A = 432 Hz?
The spaces between the notes aren’t there for studio manipulation. First, they have to [] seen to exist. Remove even the idea, and it’s the cacophony of traffic. No one catches their breath.
'I think you accidentally a word.' The eye cannot see what the mind does not know.

Not sure whether you're hyperventilating or no, Mover-of-Slow. Maybe we could talk about truck driving songs... Lost Highway. White Line Fever. Bonnie Jean (little Sister).
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(Was tired).

Mans breath decides consciousness.

Add 60Hz to something that isn’t and the changes become strange. Un-natural.

Electricity to amplify is bad enough, but to make it central is an abomination.

Audition without electric available. Pretty well defines what is music from isn’t.

Would anyone rather that all visual info is first interpreted by camera?

I doubt it.

Electricity is there to channel off, then kill. Inappropriate use.

If one wonders why drivers beads are ****ed up, look first at electrical waves. They’ve gone out of their minds. Phones or ersatz music.

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Me too, chronically. I wake up tired.

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Electricity is there to channel off, then kill.
Some visual info might be conjured straight outa intellect.

I'm picturing Edison electrocuting elephants, now, Thanks. Electricity can be static or dynamic, direct current or alternating or polyphase. Which demonstates inductance and reactance moving backward and forward in time. How cool is that? It's an electric Universe.

The Oregon Country Fair only allows electricity at the main stage. You might like it.

Back before my dreams were all crushed, I used to think about a rooftop ventilator (like Bucky Fuller's Dymaxion II) that used fluidic analog logic circuits to pneumatically sense wind direction and take appropriate response to the weather implications. Close storm shutters or whatever.

And a big Tesla crystal electrical (not electronic) radio with a six foot primary coil. That dream was crushed by digital AM.

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