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Old 09-30-2017, 04:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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It's disruptive technology and I like it!
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Old 10-02-2017, 06:30 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Massive! Fantastic work, both on the old and new truck!
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Old 10-07-2017, 07:18 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Cover the highways with 'em Bob!
It's disruptive technology and I like it!
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Hey Phil -

Thanks for the kind words.

Here's a couple more rendered images from our Augmented Reality program.

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It looks awwsome. Sorry for probably stupid question ( my closest experience with trucking is from playing few times 18 wheels of steel PC game, so negligible). I was living under impression that most of the owners-operators owns just a rig and tows whatever their contractor needs to haul.
Your setup seems to give best results with tractor+trailer combo. So how is it? Do truckers usually own both tractor and trailer or not? What performance do you expect with standard trailer? Have you tested tractor alone? Do you plan something for flatbeds, too? Inflatable boat-tail?

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It looks awwsome. Sorry for probably stupid question ( my closest experience with trucking is from playing few times 18 wheels of steel PC game, so negligible). I was living under impression that most of the owners-operators owns just a rig and tows whatever their contractor needs to haul.
Your setup seems to give best results with tractor+trailer combo. So how is it? Do truckers usually own both tractor and trailer or not? What performance do you expect with standard trailer? Have you tested tractor alone? Do you plan something for flatbeds, too? Inflatable boat-tail?
Thanks. This is an integrated prototype concept vehicle, not an owner operator vehicle. One must have an integrated aerodynamic unit, with components that work in harmony with each other, for the best aerodynamics and fuel efficiency.

Many owner operators in the U.S. lease to a large carrier, operate under the carriers authority, and use the carriers trailer. Many other owner operators lease to a large carrier and use their own trailer. And a lot of owner operators have their own operating authority and own all of the equipment.

This tractor will never be hooked up to standard trailer. We are striving for the best Class 8 truck fuel efficiency in the world, and a standard trailer would only detract from that.

We have not tested anything yet. We are currently wrapping up the build.

Flatbed versions, or an inflatable boat-tail, are not in the cards.
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We have not tested anything yet. We are currently wrapping up the build.
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- I am aware of it, but iirc you did extensive CFD testing and that was on my mind. I should probably express myself more clearly. But as you said there is no intention to separate the combo, i assume no cfd study for the truck alone.
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No, not of the onboard systems. But I have done a threat assessment of the outside of the truck systems, so I run with a .45 ACP and a German shepherd.
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Thanks for the answers.

- I am aware of it, but iirc you did extensive CFD testing and that was on my mind. I should probably express myself more clearly. But as you said there is no intention to separate the combo, i assume no cfd study for the truck alone.
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We had an aerodynamicist from Honda R&D in Torrence, CA do CFD simulations of the complete truck, and the final version came out to 0.25 Cd, believe it or not.
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Now, if you could do something about the frontal area....

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