Almost net-carbon gasoline

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by ksa8907

If we decide to limit growth by limiting access to energy, we're literally shooting ourselves in the foot.

That's what some short-sighted ecoterrorists either don't understand, or are actually trying to impose.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

That's what some short-sighted ecoterrorists either don't understand, or are actually trying to impose.

They may just be trying to shine some light on a dark corner, and get people talking about some issue:
Radium watch dials
Airbags
Anaesthesia
Asbestos ( mesothelioma )
Automotive brakes
Brake lights
Chlorofluorocarbons ( ozone hole)
Electric starter motors
Enclosed engine valvetrain
Hydrofluorocarbons
Opium ( sold at drugstores for 2-cents )
Heroin cough syrup
DDT
Enclosed automobile bodies
Carbon tetrachloride
Poly chlorinated biphenyls ( PCB )
Arsenic
Lead smelters ( pediatric mental retardation )
Mufflers on ICE automobiles
Atmospheric atomic testing ( kill John Wayne )
Leaded paint ( baby cribs )
Leaded gasoline
Coal mine explosions
Oil pipeline ruptures
Parking brakes
Pneumatic tires
Safe drinking water
Seatbelts
Steering wheels
Supertanker collision/ ruptures
Supertanker sinkings / leaks
Thalidomide
Turn signals
Windshield wipers
Oil refinery explosions
Grain elevator explosions
Automotive headlights
Hydrofurans
Human 'Jellyfish' babies
Lyme disease
Yellow fever
Smallpox
Colera
HIV AIDS
Smog ( smoky fog )
Syphilis
Gonorrhea
Human Papillomavirus
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy
Pubic crab lice
Backyard trash incinerators
Love Canal
Typhus
Dengue fever
Zika virus
Pine beetles
Polio
Bark beetles
Herpes
Type-II diabetes
Glaucoma
Unplanned pregnancy
SHELL VAPON strips
Shock absorbers
Agent Orange
Cyclamates
Red-Dye # 2
Phen phen diet pills
Cigarette smoking
Chewing tobacco
Black Lung Disease
Coca 'leaf' Cola
Airline, onboard, in-flight non-prescription amphetamines
Silicosis
Texas City, Texas, blown off the map by a French cargo ship carrying Nitrate fertilizer.
just a sampling
I consider eco-extremism as the 'clothing malfunction' of Super Bowls. It's all you hear about for the week afterwards. And people will tune in next year for a chance to see more!

[freebeard]

That's quite the [non-alphabetical] list. What ecoterrorists have protested? The electric starter motor?

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

That's quite the [non-alphabetical] list. What ecoterrorists have protested? The electric starter motor?

The story is something like: The fella hand-cranks his wife's car. The engine back-fires. The handle breaks his jaw. He dies from complications from the injury.
Everything on the list involves loss of life.
Some things are an easy sell.
Others require 'theatre'. It attracts the press. Press gets attention ( man bites dog! ). Attention attracts conversation. Conversation attracts facts. Facts form opinions. Opinions are manifested in the market, courts, or battlefields ( Haymarket Massacre created the USA )
Blame Edward Abbey.

[freebeard]

So were they for or against Pubic crab lice?

[oil pan 4]

Need to bring back ddt.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by aerohead

They may just be trying to shine some light on a dark corner, and get people talking about some issue

There are some issues actually worth talking about, and doing something to improve, yet not pushing for a nanny-state and forbid anything they dislike as some groups and "activists" do. Those are the ones I usually refer to as the ecoterrorists. I am conservative about many aspects, yet I support biofuels as a better approach than going full-EV for instance, and I do it because I believe in freedom of choice for people who prefer an ICE-powered vehicle and because it might be a good way to increase profitability for agriculture, yet eventually this may mislead some folks to see me as a barefooted weed-smoking hippie

[aerohead]

It's something President Trump talked about. 'It's not for individuals'. The rich won't do it. Neither will corporations until there's regulation.
Which leaves government.
Someone dumps raw sewage into the river. People downstream, who rely on the river water complain of human feces floating down from upstream.
Cities have no authority to act unilaterally. Counties may not have any jurisdiction. If states don't want to police it, it ends up in the US Supreme Court, and a new federal administration is born.
Federal standards supersede local standards. No more problem.
We now have ISO standards which have been adopted, worldwide, for much of the developed countries. Building/ Electrical/ Plumbing/ Roads & Highways/ Water treatment.
Some problems are so big, only governments are 'large' enough to do anything about them.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by aerohead

We now have ISO standards which have been adopted, worldwide, for much of the developed countries. Building/ Electrical/ Plumbing/ Roads & Highways/ Water treatment.

Not sure how strictly such ISO standards are enforced in other countries, but in Brazil most companies looking for compliance to them do it for bragging rights. AFAIK any business set here and complying with local laws may not display a compliance certificate for ISO standards.

[freebeard]

AFAIK any business set here and complying with local laws may not display a compliance certificate for ISO standards.

May not or might not?