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Old 10-12-2012, 12:33 AM   #31 (permalink)
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^ What he said!

I got some laughs at work today when I said, " Gasoline prices don't bother me! I just pay for it with a credit card!"

And I pay off my credit card bills every month, and I have no vehicle payments, and I have no mortgage payments.

But I'm getting screwed on my taxes because I don't have any mortgage interest to deduct. (according to some people)

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Old 10-12-2012, 12:35 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The dim bulbs that end up on the 6 o'clock saying that it costs a bunch to fill up their Ford Extinction are not the only ones that are hit in the wallet.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:39 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Come to my area (southern Ontario, Canada), gas is $1.33/ liter today, = $5.05 per US gallon..
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I like "schaudenfreude" myself.
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:31 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Come to my area (southern Ontario, Canada), gas is $1.33/ liter today, = $5.05 per US gallon..
You call that high ?

UK price per litre is £1.38 just now, which equates to £5.47 per us gallon (3.78 litres).

At $1.60 to £1 thats about $8.35 USD per gallon

or 8.14 Canadian dollars a US gallon.
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Old 10-12-2012, 09:28 AM   #36 (permalink)
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The dim bulbs that end up on the 6 o'clock saying that it costs a bunch to fill up their Ford Extinction are not the only ones that are hit in the wallet.
I agree, and for those who are living reasonable lives and doing what they can I do have sympathy. However, I also believe this is very VERY few people. Even people who can barely afford rent seem to have a sense of entitlement. I know way too many people that have stupidly large vehicles for their income and needs/uses. I could probably argue its the majority of people I know, sadly.

The thing that really sucks is if we can't convince the majority to reduce their fuel usage the problem is only going to continue to get worse. Thankfully, in the past couple years the OEMs have really been working to increase mileage. That is the only thing that is reducing our usage currently, and its only by a couple percent.
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I don't get pleasure from people's hardships by any means. That's definitely not what I was getting at. Most of these problems are only a problem because of the people themselves. I go to school with many kids who drive trucks that get 15 MPG and SUV's that get 20. They drive like typical teenagers, and then they complain that most of their paychecks go to gas. Their logic is completely backwards.
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I don't get pleasure from people's hardships by any means. That's definitely not what I was getting at. Most of these problems are only a problem because of the people themselves. I go to school with many kids who drive trucks that get 15 MPG and SUV's that get 20. They drive like typical teenagers, and then they complain that most of their paychecks go to gas. Their logic is completely backwards.
my brother was one of em except he was getting 13mpg on a good day. His 2nd year of commuting to college and bought the escort in my garage for 900usd it over doubled his mileage and in fuel savings the car paid for itself within 2 years. This meant he still had his truck to have fun with .
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I like "schaudenfreude" myself.
Looking at the larger picture, those people who are now experiencing temporary hardship were, not so long ago, taking pleasure in creating hardship for the rest of us (and ultimately themselves). So while I might not actually take pleasure in their predicaments, I do see it as the working out of... Well, call it karma - or maybe carma :-)
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I don't get pleasure from people's hardships by any means. That's definitely not what I was getting at. Most of these problems are only a problem because of the people themselves. I go to school with many kids who drive trucks that get 15 MPG and SUV's that get 20. They drive like typical teenagers, and then they complain that most of their paychecks go to gas. Their logic is completely backwards.
I worked with a truck guy for a while. got him to track his mileage. then did the math for him, he parked the truck, got a 1000 dollar economy car and has not looked back. He is not the first nor the last person to see the light.

A little good hearted ribbing about the monetary aspects (environmental aspects just get tuned out and dismissed) coupled with some information goes a long way.

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