Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > General Efficiency Discussion
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 10-12-2013, 12:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
Hydrogen > EV
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NW Ohio, United States
Posts: 2,017

Snow White and the 6.2 Dwarfs - '11 Chevrolet Corvette LT2
Last 3: 26.46 mpg (US)

Silver Flea - '05 Honda Insight
90 day: 58.96 mpg (US)
Thanks: 981
Thanked 383 Times in 279 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian View Post
What's an MP5? You mean the Mazda5 true-mini van? I like it, but it is small.

As someone who needs the seat to carry people, the Odyssey has way more space. If you use all the seats, there's next to no cargo space. (pic) Mazda's website won't even list it. It offers 45 cu ft with the 3rd row folded. The Odyssey offers 38 cu ft with all seats up, 93 behind row 2. My grandmother has one and I borrowed it for a couple days. It'd work well for my car and occasional family duty, but as a primary family car, no.

The basic Odyssey you can get for 28 is just a van. Besides the Mazda, it's the best "driver's car" van. I don't need most of the junk that bloats the price to $45,000. That's why I'm glad the economy options are now available on the base model. To my mind, paying that much for "features" is just stupid.

To sum up, for $8k more you get a lot more vehicle and equal mileage. If you don't need the size, the Mazda is a good choice. If you do, I'm glad the Ody is there.
MPV, MP5, now it's the Mazda 5. I firmly believe a standard can see highway MPG anytime it's driven, with the exception of NYC type driving of literally constant stop and go. I do see the reasoning behind it. Size wise, the Mazda doesn't compare- and the Odyssey definitely has some guts to it, ~245 hp, compared to the mid 100s of the Mazda.

__________________





Best Tanks:
Mustang - 54.83 mpg (US) at the Green Grand Prix
Insight - 82.91966 mpg (US) over 818.5 miles.
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 10-12-2013, 04:17 AM   #22 (permalink)
Grasshopper
 
alohaspirit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 964

Makai - '01 Toyota Echo 4D Auto
90 day: 34.45 mpg (US)

New Galaxy - '07 Toyota Prius
90 day: 42.15 mpg (US)
Thanks: 25
Thanked 30 Times in 25 Posts
wouldnt a 2003 caravan for $3000-5000 be a better option in the long run?

then you just do aeromods
__________________
Past Present Future?
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 10:04 AM   #23 (permalink)
Hypermiler
 
PaleMelanesian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,305

PaleCivic (retired) - '96 Honda Civic DX Sedan
90 day: 69.2 mpg (US)

PaleFit - '09 Honda Fit Sport
Team Honda
Wagons
90 day: 46.91 mpg (US)
Thanks: 594
Thanked 416 Times in 273 Posts
Looking at the financial big picture, you have a solid point there. Low purchase price can overcome a lot. It would take many miles to make up the price difference in fuel savings.

Caravan: 18/25 mpg
New Ody: 19/28 mpg
__________________



11-mile commute: 100 mpg - - - Tank: 90.2 mpg / 1191 miles
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 12:26 PM   #24 (permalink)
EcoModding Apprentice
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Oakton, VA
Posts: 189
Thanks: 1
Thanked 24 Times in 19 Posts
FWIW, the 1st gen Oddy is still EPA rated at 21mpg combined, with a 25mpg average from users. It has a 4cyl Accord drivetrain.
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 01:19 PM   #25 (permalink)
Rat Racer
 
Fat Charlie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Route 16
Posts: 3,475

Al the Third, year four - '13 Honda Fit Base
Team Honda
90 day: 42.9 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,370
Thanked 1,516 Times in 961 Posts
Hondas cost a lot because they're great cars, Honda knows it, and people will pay it.

I looked at the Mazda, but went with the Dodge. The Mazda checked off the box with seating, had a better mpg rating and cost more. The Dodge has the seats that drop into the floor, I'm not afraid to tow our camper with it and the price was great.

I was looking at the 01-07 minivan platform for the price, but my wife wanted something newer than that. It's a good platform.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepdog44 View Post
Transmission type Efficiency
Manual neutral engine off.100% @MPG <----- Fun Fact.
Manual 1:1 gear ratio .......98%
CVT belt ............................88%
Automatic .........................86%

  Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 06:44 PM   #26 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
101Volts's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 477

Grandpa's Caprice (retired) - '84 Chevrolet Caprice Classic
Last 3: 20.76 mpg (US)

Woody - '90 Mercury Grand Marquis Wagon LS
90 day: 14.13 mpg (US)

F.E. Brick - '99 Chevrolet K2500 Suburban LS
Last 3: 12.94 mpg (US)

Mom's Car - '01 Chevrolet Impala Base
90 day: 21.86 mpg (US)

Happy Trails - '05 Ford Explorer
90 day: 16.45 mpg (US)
Thanks: 850
Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian View Post
Looking at the financial big picture, you have a solid point there. Low purchase price can overcome a lot. It would take many miles to make up the price difference in fuel savings.

Caravan: 18/25 mpg
New Ody: 19/28 mpg
True, And my Dad paid $1,800 for the Caravan we have without the A/C belt on it.

And that's part of why my parents and I have the 1984 Caprice Classic; It was given to us from a family member at no charge. It's just sitting there most of the time, Though.
__________________

  Reply With Quote
Old 10-14-2013, 09:00 PM   #27 (permalink)
Grasshopper
 
alohaspirit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Hawaii
Posts: 964

Makai - '01 Toyota Echo 4D Auto
90 day: 34.45 mpg (US)

New Galaxy - '07 Toyota Prius
90 day: 42.15 mpg (US)
Thanks: 25
Thanked 30 Times in 25 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian View Post
Looking at the financial big picture, you have a solid point there. Low purchase price can overcome a lot. It would take many miles to make up the price difference in fuel savings.

Caravan: 18/25 mpg
New Ody: 19/28 mpg
thanks. it would take a lot to make up that difference


Quote:
Originally Posted by ProDarwin View Post
FWIW, the 1st gen Oddy is still EPA rated at 21mpg combined, with a 25mpg average from users. It has a 4cyl Accord drivetrain.
ive looked at a few vans and this is what i found

hondas have transmission problems
toyotas have sludge problems
dodge have belt slip problems


Quote:
Originally Posted by 101Volts View Post
True, And my Dad paid $1,800 for the Caravan we have without the A/C belt on it.
sounds good
__________________
Past Present Future?
  Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2013, 04:29 AM   #28 (permalink)
EtOH
 
Allch Chcar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: North Coast, California
Posts: 429

Cordelia - '15 Mazda Mazda3 i Sport
90 day: 37.83 mpg (US)
Thanks: 72
Thanked 33 Times in 24 Posts
I can speak for the newer MZ5(technically Mazda Mazda5 haha). The rated 22/28 is accurate. I have seen MPG in the teens driving it super short distances around town when driven aggressively short distance(not me) or moving items or shuttling people. But it is capable of low 30's at highway speeds(55MPH). The older ones have the 2.3L MZR. I have the 2012 with the 2.5L MZR. It is basically the same engine/transmission as in the Mazda3 S trims. MT is only on the base Sport trim and super rare. But it is the only Mini-van with a 6 speed standard. If you find one cheap enough or with a bad transmission there might be an advantage to swapping in the Mazdaspeed3 transmission.

The one issue I always seem to have is cargo room with 6 passengers. We're used to fitting snugly as it is but we typically have to stuff backpacks and other cargo inbetween the middle seats and all along the floor. I have moved sofas, dressers, and desks with it. And we have made overnight trips with 6 people. When hauling furniture I usually have to leave the rear hatch open and tie it down with a cargo strap. I've looked into getting a tow hitch since it could really come in handy. It would look really nice with a drop, pizzapans, tint, antenna delete, hatch spoiler, and LRR summer tires. Many of the Mazdaspeed3 or regular Mazda3 parts swap right over so I have looked at used parts for things like sway bars and exhaust.

I pumped up the tires to 40 PSI and holy Carp is the handling good, for a mini-van.
__________________
-Allch Chcar

  Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2013, 10:20 AM   #29 (permalink)
Hypermiler
 
PaleMelanesian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,305

PaleCivic (retired) - '96 Honda Civic DX Sedan
90 day: 69.2 mpg (US)

PaleFit - '09 Honda Fit Sport
Team Honda
Wagons
90 day: 46.91 mpg (US)
Thanks: 594
Thanked 416 Times in 273 Posts
I'm waiting eagerly to see how the new 5 turns out. If they give it upgrades like the CX-5 (26/35 mpg) and 3 (29/40), it'll be a home run. I'd expect maybe 24/32 mpg and six passenger capability, and of course Mazda handling.

__________________



11-mile commute: 100 mpg - - - Tank: 90.2 mpg / 1191 miles
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
EcoModding for Beginners: Getting great gas mileage. SVOboy EcoModding Central 55 08-21-2012 12:34 AM
In a world where Jeeps get horrible gas mileage.... EcoJeeper Introductions 16 03-26-2009 01:09 PM
Secrets to Better Gas Mileage Program ... please help raise ECO awareness!!!! Markmysite Hypermiling / EcoDriver's Ed 7 08-15-2008 02:49 PM
Better Gas Mileage from my 06 Matrix thevisionseeker Hypermiling / EcoDriver's Ed 9 06-02-2008 05:11 PM



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com