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Old 10-20-2009, 06:14 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Ummm... didn't see much science in that Laguna piece as far as geometry. Shows one way to build 'em though.

The Fusion is not really a trunk lid extension; they've raised the entire lid from the base of the backlight on back.

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Ummm... didn't see much science in that Laguna piece as far as geometry. Shows one way to build 'em though.

The Fusion is not really a trunk lid extension; they've raised the entire lid from the base of the backlight on back.
Are you sure they raised the trunk? I think the side-spat starts where the trunk "meets" the window and stays the same height. Because the trunk slopes down, the side spats end up being like a quasi-fin. Here's a photo gallery :

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Here's a picture from the Hi-res mode :



Hmmmmm, I guess the trunk could be raised maybe an inch or more. Is that what you mean?

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It looked to me like the whole trunk surface was levelled out and raised at the rear.

It's kinda tough to "look through" those end plates.

I might have been wrong on that? In spite of your much better pics I'm not 100% sure now.
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I think we're both right. Now I want to go to a Ford lot and look at a Fusion trunk without being hassled.

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I've seen this in my head, as well.

Anyone want to model it on that airflow mapper thingy program?
I just made this :



I will see if I can process it later tonight.

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I added a flat spoiler to create a "virtual" 13 degree slope.



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The flow over the deck lid looks much smoother w/ the extension, but it looks like that really screws up the wake behind the tail lights, making a huge vortex that, at least intuitively, is going to create an even worse vacuum than the original wake would? (Yea, that's a question.)

Either way, I'm not getting the car... guy thinks he's got a gold mine. Literally, he wanted my quad and $550...
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I do know that I can sleep in that trunk... used to have one.

When I looked at the pic, I wanted to make sure to pay close attention to the gentle slope of the roof line, which appears to be training airflow in a downward arc toward the deck lid.

While I don't think it's TOO bad, I do believe that rear window adds significant wake area, somewhat comparable to that which is created at the rear of the car's deck lid.

I think "fixing" the flow there at the window area could lessen the rear drag by at least 30%. No expert, so input is necessary here. (Phil?!?)
Yeah, I'd say definitely a rear spoiler.Ford has the roof falling off as it moves rearward and then I think we'd all agree that she separates at the backlight header,then may re-attach.Don't know.I do know that the angle between the rear edge of the trunklid and backlight is steeper than what Dr.Kamm would accept.He advocated no more than 10-degrees.You could probably cheat a little,say 12-13.
I'd do like CAR and DRIVER on the Pinto and Z-Car.Angle the spoiler up to the rear at 30-degrees and take it as high as you can live with.In a perfect world.the spoiler would reach up until it intersected the imaginary line of the Kamm or Jaray roofline which is what the template is all about.
Also,the straight-back foil,as on the Fusion is good,it just has to go way back before it intersects the 10-12 degree line.
Oh,by the way,999 was the number of Ford's first race winner.I think Barney Oldfield drove it to victory.That's why they used it on the Fusion.

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