05-03-2014, 06:48 PM
|
#1 (permalink)
|
EcoModding Apprentice
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Miami FL
Posts: 121
Thanks: 1
Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts
|
Electric fuel pumps to pre-lube engine before a cold start?
It is said that most of the engine wear comes from cold starts when the oil is in the pan and the metal parts grind themselves dry.
It is also said that many NY yellow cab engines lasted many thousands of miles because they only had one cold start per day.
Also Formula 1 engines need oil and coolant to be pre-warmed and pre-pumped before starting otherwise the engine will grind so badly it will be ruined.
I remember some electric pre-lube oil pumps were sold at JC Whitney years ago.
Are they worth it?
If OEM automakers were to adopt them, Would they allow closer engine tolerances thus improving engine efficiency while reducing emissions?
|
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
05-03-2014, 06:55 PM
|
#2 (permalink)
|
...beats walking...
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: .
Posts: 6,190
Thanks: 179
Thanked 1,525 Times in 1,126 Posts
|
Pumping COLD oil will take a LOT of electrical power because of viscosity "thickness" when cold.
But, yes, it WILL help reduce engine wear...at the co$t of battery replacements.
|
|
|
05-03-2014, 07:08 PM
|
#3 (permalink)
|
herp derp Apprentice
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 1,049
Thanks: 43
Thanked 331 Times in 233 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big time
It is said that most of the engine wear comes from cold starts when the oil is in the pan and the metal parts grind themselves dry.
If OEM automakers were to adopt them, Would they allow closer engine tolerances thus improving engine efficiency while reducing emissions?
|
block heater, oil pan heater, and more oem's seem to be going to 0w20 already
|
|
|
05-03-2014, 07:35 PM
|
#4 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,545
Thanks: 8,087
Thanked 8,880 Times in 7,328 Posts
|
|
|
|
05-03-2014, 07:38 PM
|
#5 (permalink)
|
Corporate imperialist
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 11,266
Thanks: 273
Thanked 3,569 Times in 2,833 Posts
|
F1 and some other race engines need to be pre warmed because the tolerances are so much tighter than street engines that if they were cold started the engines would seize from oil not being able to flow through the tight spaces.
Large ship engines are pre warmed too.
The ship engines and race cars normally use accumulators to move the oil before start up.
Warm starting seems to be more important to wear prevention than pre lube.
Also using block a heater has proven to save fuel.
Dont use 0w or 5w-20 oil unless you are looking for more engine wear.
There is a 1% fuel economy difference between 5w-20 and 10w-30 weight oil. The wear difference between the two is much more than 1%.
__________________
1984 chevy suburban, custom made 6.5L diesel turbocharged with a Garrett T76 and Holset HE351VE, 22:1 compression 13psi of intercooled boost.
1989 firebird mostly stock. Aside from the 6-speed manual trans, corvette gen 5 front brakes, 1LE drive shaft, 4th Gen disc brake fbody rear end.
2011 leaf SL, white, portable 240v CHAdeMO, trailer hitch, new batt as of 2014.
Last edited by oil pan 4; 05-03-2014 at 07:46 PM..
|
|
|
05-03-2014, 08:07 PM
|
#6 (permalink)
|
herp derp Apprentice
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 1,049
Thanks: 43
Thanked 331 Times in 233 Posts
|
i didnt mean to suggest just start using it, i mean oems are building more of their engines designed for 0w20
|
|
|
05-03-2014, 08:24 PM
|
#7 (permalink)
|
Corporate imperialist
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: NewMexico (USA)
Posts: 11,266
Thanks: 273
Thanked 3,569 Times in 2,833 Posts
|
Yeah I still dont use it.
They can call for it all they want, not happening.
|
|
|
05-04-2014, 12:03 AM
|
#8 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: May 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 2,643
Thanks: 1,502
Thanked 279 Times in 229 Posts
|
Id rather grid the starter before I had oil psi before the engine fired up. Thats how my riding mower works with a honda low oil sensitive engine. Last witer it cranked for 30 seconds before it fired up. I dont think spinning the parts around with no combustion is going to cause that much wear vs it running with no oil psi.
|
|
|
05-04-2014, 03:00 AM
|
#9 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,545
Thanks: 8,087
Thanked 8,880 Times in 7,328 Posts
|
With a separate push button you could gri[n]d the starter, and then use the key to fire it up.
|
|
|
05-04-2014, 04:43 AM
|
#10 (permalink)
|
Human Environmentalist
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,752
Thanks: 4,316
Thanked 4,471 Times in 3,436 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by oil pan 4
Yeah I still dont use it.
They can call for it all they want, not happening.
|
What do you run?
I use 10W-40 synthetic in the motorcycle and 10W-30 synthetic in the cars. It was my wild guess as to the right balance of fuel economy and long term engine protection, given my extended drain intervals.
|
|
|
|