Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Off-Topic Tech
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-27-2018, 11:50 PM   #31 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 12,913
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1,694 Times in 1,512 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grinder74 View Post
Paddle shift would add some cool factor.
Not sure if it would lead to quicker shifting, but I'm sure it's cool.

  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 04-28-2018, 01:29 AM   #32 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 678
Thanks: 20
Thanked 146 Times in 130 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr View Post
Not sure if it would lead to quicker shifting, but I'm sure it's cool.
Yes, but if you'll notice, the fingers of the left hand operate the low/high shift paddles, and the fingers of the right hand operate the 1st through 5th main transmission paddles. Foot clutch,1st gear low range, foot clutch 1st gear high range (not faster, but) foot clutch 2nd gear with the right fingers at the same time as back into low range with the left fingers (this, is faster than the two toe motions required sitting on the bike, or the two separate motions required to do this with the hand on the shift levers. And you could shift both levers at once anytine you need to go from one gear and one range to another gear and anothr range.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1L to 3H.JPG
Views:	10
Size:	69.1 KB
ID:	24034  
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-30-2018, 03:23 PM   #33 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 678
Thanks: 20
Thanked 146 Times in 130 Posts
I'm not sure if it can be done, but if the gears can be changed in the main transmission and in the Sub transmission, but If I could, I would re-gear both transmissions to create gearsets where each upshift combination would be a 120% change. This would eliminate the wasted overlaps from 2 HIGH to 3 LOW, 3 HIGH to 4 LOW, and the identical ratios of 56 HIGH and 4 LOW. evenly spaced gears would allow all ten gar combinations to be used, and give a much wider ratio from 1 LOW to 5 HIGH, which would be useful with the higher weight of the trike, on take off, and give a lower cruising RPM (with proper aerodynamics). Max Torque is at 8,000 RPM, and Redline is at 9,500 RPM. The new ratios would go from Redline in one gear combination to Max Torque in the next gear combination.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	CB900C NEW GEARS 1.JPG
Views:	12
Size:	94.2 KB
ID:	24051   Click image for larger version

Name:	CB900C NEW GEARS 2.JPG
Views:	9
Size:	55.1 KB
ID:	24052   Click image for larger version

Name:	CB900C NEW GEARS 3.JPG
Views:	9
Size:	38.7 KB
ID:	24053   Click image for larger version

Name:	CB900C NEW GEARS 4.JPG
Views:	10
Size:	27.2 KB
ID:	24054   Click image for larger version

Name:	CB900C NEW GEARS 5.JPG
Views:	9
Size:	18.2 KB
ID:	24055  

Click image for larger version

Name:	CB900C NEW GEARS 6.JPG
Views:	12
Size:	10.2 KB
ID:	24056  
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 01:21 AM   #34 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 678
Thanks: 20
Thanked 146 Times in 130 Posts
Yes, I know that with every upshift, I lose horsepower at the rear wheel, and that the acceleration decreases with every upshift, but with these gearsets, once you reach redline in first gear low, you will always have max torque to max hp under your foot, in ten steps.

And, if you are not in a hurry, shifting at, say, 3,000 RPM will always drop you into the next higher gear combination at 2,500 RPM, and if you leave the Sub transmission alone, into the next higher main transmission gear at 2,083 RPM.

Last edited by Angel And The Wolf; 05-01-2018 at 01:51 PM..
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2018, 01:41 PM   #35 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 678
Thanks: 20
Thanked 146 Times in 130 Posts
I was a little worried about the new ratios interfering with each other, but as you see, there is no switchback in a motorcycle transmission, just straight forward five paths through the gearbox.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	MOTORCYCLE 1st Gear.JPG
Views:	11
Size:	49.3 KB
ID:	24060   Click image for larger version

Name:	MOTORCYCLE 2nd Gear.JPG
Views:	10
Size:	50.2 KB
ID:	24061   Click image for larger version

Name:	MOTORCYCLE 3rd Gear.JPG
Views:	12
Size:	49.6 KB
ID:	24062   Click image for larger version

Name:	MOTORCYCLE 4th Gear.JPG
Views:	13
Size:	50.2 KB
ID:	24063   Click image for larger version

Name:	MOTORCYCLE 5th Gear.JPG
Views:	17
Size:	51.0 KB
ID:	24064  

  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2018, 01:32 PM   #36 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,687
Thanks: 8,143
Thanked 8,922 Times in 7,365 Posts


The Fiberfab Scarab used a VW front axle and a generic motorcycle. The brochure this is the cover of had a drawing of the frame. It was convertible from a trike in the winter to a bike in the summer.

Use any VW torsion beam axle with rack and pinion steering. It's a common sand rail part.
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2018, 02:40 PM   #37 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 678
Thanks: 20
Thanked 146 Times in 130 Posts
Thanks. Here is a quicker version:
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	VW Reverse Trike.JPG
Views:	12
Size:	64.3 KB
ID:	24075  
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2018, 03:08 PM   #38 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,687
Thanks: 8,143
Thanked 8,922 Times in 7,365 Posts
but... but... but.. Ackermann.

(Re-temper the steering arms after you heat and bend them)

That would have been my 2nd suggestion. I like the Tromfenwagen style front fenders. They would improve any rat rod VW.
__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2018, 03:17 PM   #39 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 678
Thanks: 20
Thanked 146 Times in 130 Posts
Ackermann works off the center point of the rear axle, and if the bike rear wheel contact patch centers on the same point, Ackermann is preserved. My design would do this. The converted VW above doesn't.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2018, 04:50 PM   #40 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 28,687
Thanks: 8,143
Thanked 8,922 Times in 7,365 Posts
That would have been my point. I still like those front fenders, though.

Heat-bending steering arms is not recommended

__________________
.
.
Without freedom of speech we wouldn't know who all the idiots are. -- anonymous poster

____________________
.
.
Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar --You can't say that is a coincidence.
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com