Found out where to get non-blended gas.

[AeroModder]

I have spoken to people that have lost up to 5 MPG by switching to E10.

[superchow]

Originally Posted by AeroModder

...I recieved a call from a gentleman telling me where I could by non-blended gas.

Back to the title: Where is this magical land with unblended gasoline?

BTW: I fill up exclusively with premium. The engine advances the timing and I can get away with lower rpm at higher loads. My wife and I worked out the math, and it actually saves us money filling up with premium. We can travel further on premium per dollar than on regular. Your mileage may vary of course...

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by AeroModder

I have spoken to people that have lost up to 5 MPG by switching to E10.

They're either fooling themselves or there is something else wrong with their car.
Gasoline: 125,000 btu
Ethanol: 84,400 btu
E10: 120,940 btu

[99metro]

I have two stations near where I work that sell unblended gasoline. This is an area that does not yet require blended gas as mandated in some areas by the EPA. I use this all the time. My fuel mileage suffers when I'm forced to get gas somewhere else that contains all that anti-pollution stuff.

Here is a list that was started on where to get pure gas:

Ethanol-free gas stations in the U.S. and Canada

[Funny]

Originally Posted by tjts1

They're either fooling themselves or there is something else wrong with their car.
Gasoline: 125,000 btu
Ethanol: 84,400 btu
E10: 120,940 btu

Not necessarily.
The chemical interactions between medium-chain hydrocarbons and alcohols is not very well understood by the average Joe. If you were to perform an A-B-C-C-B-A test on a lawnmower with a simple carburetor controlled engine, with E10, straight gas, and M10 (10% methanol), and run the engine until it quit, with time of run being indicative of efficiency (longer time being more efficient) you would likely find out the difference in the fuels shows what so much anecdotal evidence is showing.

If they were smart, they would go back straight gas as it doesn't form an Azeotrope with water (wiki it, not going to explain it again.)

While we're on it...

Average Energy Content of Various Fuels

1 kilowatt-hour of electricity ... 3,413 Btu
1 cubic foot of natural gas ... 1,008 to 1,034 Btu
1 therm of natural gas ... 100,000 Btu
1 gallon of liquefied petroleum gas(LPG) ... 95,475 Btu
1 gallon of crude oil ... 138,095 Btu
1 barrel of crude oil ... 5,800,000 Btu
1 gallon of kerosene or light distillate oil ... 135,000 Btu
1 gallon middle distillate or diesel fuel oil ... 138,690 Btu
1 gallon residential fuel oil ... 149,690 Btu
1 gallon of gasoline ... 125,000 Btu
1 gallon of ethanol ... 84,400 Btu
1 gallon of methanol ... 62,800 Btu
1 gallon gasohol
(10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) ... 120,900 Btu
1 pound of coal ... 8,100-13,000 Btu
1 ton of coal ... 16,200,00-26,000,000 Btu
1 ton of coke ... 26,000,000 Btu
.
1 ton of wood ... 9,000,00-17,000,000 Btu
1 standard cord of wood ... 18,000,000-24,000,000 Btu
1 face cord of wood ... 6,000,000-8,000,000 Btu
.
1 pound low pressure steam
(recoverable heat) ... 1,000 Btu


So we need to be adding Residential Fuel Oil to our gas tank!

[AeroModder]

Originally Posted by superchow

Back to the title: Where is this magical land with unblended gasoline?

Around here, you can get unblended Premium at airports and agricultural retail outlets. There's a farmers' co-op nearby that sells some. I already picked up a couple gas cans to fill when my tank starts getting low.

[tjts1]

Originally Posted by Funny

Not necessarily.
The chemical interactions between medium-chain hydrocarbons and alcohols is not very well understood by the average Joe. If you were to perform an A-B-C-C-B-A test on a lawnmower with a simple carburetor controlled engine, with E10, straight gas, and M10 (10% methanol), and run the engine until it quit, with time of run being indicative of efficiency (longer time being more efficient) you would likely find out the difference in the fuels shows what so much anecdotal evidence is showing.

If they were smart, they would go back straight gas as it doesn't form an Azeotrope with water (wiki it, not going to explain it again.)

While we're on it...

Average Energy Content of Various Fuels

1 kilowatt-hour of electricity ... 3,413 Btu
1 cubic foot of natural gas ... 1,008 to 1,034 Btu
1 therm of natural gas ... 100,000 Btu
1 gallon of liquefied petroleum gas(LPG) ... 95,475 Btu
1 gallon of crude oil ... 138,095 Btu
1 barrel of crude oil ... 5,800,000 Btu
1 gallon of kerosene or light distillate oil ... 135,000 Btu
1 gallon middle distillate or diesel fuel oil ... 138,690 Btu
1 gallon residential fuel oil ... 149,690 Btu
1 gallon of gasoline ... 125,000 Btu
1 gallon of ethanol ... 84,400 Btu
1 gallon of methanol ... 62,800 Btu
1 gallon gasohol
(10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) ... 120,900 Btu
1 pound of coal ... 8,100-13,000 Btu
1 ton of coal ... 16,200,00-26,000,000 Btu
1 ton of coke ... 26,000,000 Btu
.
1 ton of wood ... 9,000,00-17,000,000 Btu
1 standard cord of wood ... 18,000,000-24,000,000 Btu
1 face cord of wood ... 6,000,000-8,000,000 Btu
.
1 pound low pressure steam
(recoverable heat) ... 1,000 Btu


So we need to be adding Residential Fuel Oil to our gas tank!

[AeroModder]

Found a site that lists problems attributed to E10 use: List: E10 Engine Damage & Performance Issues.

The EPA is proposing an increase to E15, which voids warranties on several cars. Here's a form to send a letter to the EPA: http://www.fueltestkit.com/complete_...ppose_e15.html

[Funny]

Originally Posted by tjts1

I thought that my comment was rather informative, suggesting a possible way of finding the comparison of the three fuels, while still questioning the end results. Yet you believe my post to be that of a tinfoil hat wearing theorist? Surely you read the post? Though you should probably read about azeotropes in Wikipedia, and the manuals of almost all small engine and automobiles, as they state the inherent issues with using gasohol.

[TheEnemy]

On one of my 3 cars I did see a noticable drop in FE when we switched to E10.

One we didn't notice any change, and the other, well I have been doing so much work to the engine I wouldn't be able to tell.

Its not that the people seeing the problem are conspiracy theorists, fools, or otherwise, some cars just don't adapt very well to E10.