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Old 09-19-2011, 09:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 09-20-2011, 12:55 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This post is for the benefit of anyone who's contemplating an HHO system for their car.

You guys do realize that HHO is a chemical version of a perpetual motion device right?

Basics are, you don't use enough water to say you're getting fuel for free. As far as I can tell, you'd be lucky to use a quart of water for every tank of gas you go through, so you are only getting 1 part in 60 (15 Gallon Gas Tank) additional fuel. (Water and Gasoline have about the same amount of hydrogen per gallon) There is nothing "Magic" about the hydrogen that comes from HHO contraptions, it's just fuel.

Since it takes energy to operate the system, and you say it gives you better mileage, that would mean it's giving back substantially more energy than what it takes to run. The energy required to disassociate the water into H2 & O2 is more than the energy you get when you reburn it. So where does the efficiency take place?? You can't say it makes the gasoline burn better in the car because modern engines burn 95% of the fuel any way.

Fact is, it's pure Hocus Pokus muble jumble you use to get people to buy your crap. You are snake oil salesmen preying on the stupidity of people who can't think for themselves. You gotta know dam good and well the stuff you're pushing is rubbish yet you push it anyway. Disgusting.

Answer all these questions.
Show me the chemical reactions that take place to justify the use of an HHO generator?
Show me how much water you use for the number of miles you drive?
Tell me how many amps your HHO generator uses?
Where does the electricity come from to generate the current?
How much additional load is placed on the engine to generate the current?
For the given volume of gas you generate, how many BTU's of energy can be produced from it given 100% efficient combustion?
How much actual gasoline gets used in the amount of time it takes for you to use up a given amount of water?
What temperature does the water get to on a long trip? Does it boil off into steam?
What is the basic chemical reaction of gasoline in the combustion chamber?
How does a paltry amount of additional hydrogen from HHO help the combustion equation?

Don't you dare say another word about this stupid HHO idea until you answer these very basic questions. If you don't know the answers, then clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

I know the answers. And it adds up to, It Can't Work.
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HHO is especially entertaining. Especially for those of us who know what we talk about.
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Bought the Volo_DS2_HHO_Ed chip and am 30 miles or so past the 120 mile dial in period where the chip is supposed to auto-adjust to engine parameters.

impressions? Seems to give more power under acceleration when using warm air intake now at 45-50F above ambient vs the ECU settings. On this last trip I saw the best trip mileage on local backroads with lots of stops and curves that I've seen yet.

Installation was a bit difficult due to the data port being upside down on the Focus and trying to translate the wire positions to the BACK of the port from the front...but I got it wired in.

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I assume you mean the FS2, I couldn't see a DS2 ?

Well done for trying, I wouldn't put one on my own car but I'll wait for the results. Are you running HHO too, as this chip seems to match it.
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I love history, but nope, I'm the Cartagena Uno champ from our holidays in Spain this summer.

I recommend both the place and the game BTW. The place is gorgeous and the game is simple and complex enough for anyone from 6 to 99 - making it the perfect holiday game.
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The chip I'm using is suitable for using with or without HHO...recommended for anyone who might be upgrading to HHO at some point.

Have my own DIY HHO unit...but won't try it out till next summer earliest.

Not doing the best testing due to 2 other recent mods....upper grill block and front belly pan (not much gained noted over 200 miles)....plus winter gas and variable weather. Should get some idea though.....

Understand this...I could care less whether someone else tries one of these chips...my only responsibility would be to report honestly...my results. I took a chance and tried one and I'll see what I find.


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I assume you mean the FS2, I couldn't see a DS2 ?

Well done for trying, I wouldn't put one on my own car but I'll wait for the results. Are you running HHO too, as this chip seems to match it.

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