GEET Reactor

[JRMichler]

Rusty, you are up against the fact that most people on this site KNOW that the GEET reactor is bogus. However, what is common knowledge is sometimes wrong. If you feel that the GEET reactor, or a similar fuel conditioning system, will get better gas mileage, then build one.

This is, after all, EcoMODDER.com. The GEET reactor is certainly simple enough that any normal person can build one. The patent has all the necessary information.

We would be happy to help with details, such as materials and techniques to stand up to the temperatures and pressures. We ask only that you tell us what you are doing and test it according to the procedures in this thread: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ery-11445.html. Then report the results, whether good or bad.

[Frank Lee]

That adding hydrogen stabilizes combustion such that ultra lean burns are possible is known; the problem is getting it to work out in the real world where the variables are so much greater than in the lab setting. And that doesn't even have a thing to do with getting the hydrogen.

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by JRMichler

Rusty, you are up against the fact that most people on this site KNOW that the GEET reactor is bogus. However, what is common knowledge is sometimes wrong. If you feel that the GEET reactor, or a similar fuel conditioning system, will get better gas mileage, then build one.

This is, after all, EcoMODDER.com. The GEET reactor is certainly simple enough that any normal person can build one. The patent has all the necessary information.

We would be happy to help with details, such as materials and techniques to stand up to the temperatures and pressures. We ask only that you tell us what you are doing and test it according to the procedures in this thread: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ery-11445.html. Then report the results, whether good or bad.

And I have helped in building a GEET and tested it on a single cylinder genset and a carbureted 3 cylinder Metro. I am intimate with the problems inherent with the GEET as well as the possible ways it could be used beneficially.

And certainly, I will try to "spill the beans" if we can produce anything of value to this forum and if my boss doesn't tell me that the information infringes on company trade secrets ( I work for a R&D company that deals with emissions, so economy shouldn't be a problem right?).

Remember that the fuel processor (FP) is to be driven off the exhaust and the heat is variable to the extent the FP will not work well outside a narrow range. This means we will have to design the system to work when most beneficial to economy - light loads and cruising.

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

That adding hydrogen stabilizes combustion such that ultra lean burns are possible is known; the problem is getting it to work out in the real world where the variables are so much greater than in the lab setting. And that doesn't even have a thing to do with getting the hydrogen.

Once physical principles are understood it becomes an exercise in problem solving.

I have a 3 cylinder Daihatsu that could run in lean burn with an AF ratio of at least 28:1 ( the limits of my O2 sensor range ). That was with the relatively miniscule addition of hydrogen from an electrolysis generator. However, that is a 1990 car with easily fooled electronics. It didn't throw a fit when the IAT and MAP signals were hacked. The car would perform sluggishly. It was obvious that a way to engage and disengage the lean burn was needed - much like what is found in the more modern Honda and it's ilk.

And HOW do you know the GEET is totally bogus? Did you build one and test it's limits? Paul Pantone's claims were bogus, but that doesn't mean the device is without it's merits. I expect to produce more hydrogen via fuel processing over a narrow operation band than what could be produced by an electrolysis generator. If the op band can coincide with light load/cruise operations, that will give us the potential for fuel savings. And, the greater hydrogen content should give us stronger performance compared to the sluggish.

[RustyLugNut]

Still, kudos to JR and Frank for their input.

[rmay635703]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

And certainly, I will try to "spill the beans" if we can produce anything of value to this forum and if my boss doesn't tell me that the information infringes on company trade secrets

When you have something that can run and drive down the road let us know.

A word of note, catalysing carburators were developed at rockwell many moons ago. They went with EFI instead after developing it if that means anything.

Cheers
Ryan

[Xist]

Hey! Why did you guys stop entertaining me?! I am bored now!

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by Xist

Hey! Why did you guys stop entertaining me?! I am bored now!

It is very difficult to post on a forum with basic ASCII when what I need is something more akin to MathCad.

[JRMichler]

Originally Posted by RustyLugNut

It is very difficult to post on a forum with basic ASCII when what I need is something more akin to MathCad.

If you really need to post equations, just do them in Mathcad, take a screenshot, save to JPG, then post it as an image. Or take a photo of a page of hand sketches. Or whatever.

If you choose to post equations or chemical formulae, be advised that you need to explain them IN ENGLISH simple enough that any reader with basic high school chemistry can understand.

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by JRMichler

If you really need to post equations, just do them in Mathcad, take a screenshot, save to JPG, then post it as an image. Or take a photo of a page of hand sketches. Or whatever.

If you choose to post equations or chemical formulae, be advised that you need to explain them IN ENGLISH simple enough that any reader with basic high school chemistry can understand.

JPG of hand written notes seems easy enough. The problem is the basic HS Chemistry explanation. At a certain point, that is going to be inadequate.