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The solar sunspot cycle is eleven years, with a delta-irradiance of 0.50%.
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What's new in human understanding is the immediate conduit from the Heliosphere to Earth's surface via waves that propagate [from/to?] the Equator.
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I plan to maximize flourishing during changing climate, because I'm maximally equipped to respond to events in my life, and everything else I have minimal control over.
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The comments on Slashdot support you.
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It's the rate of change, not the absolute level of temperature, that will stress the environment. A +4C world doesn't look much different if you take 8000 years to get there, but it looks *very different if you've got here in less than a century. Over eight thousands years, even populations of *trees* can migrate hundreds of miles. Doing it in less than a century stresses human societies which are by far the fastest adapting feature of the planet.
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05-24-2022, 05:17 PM
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Then there's all that too.
I like how global warming belivers can think that protons from a solar flare can hit the poles at 90%+ the speed of light and simply nothing happens.
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05-24-2022, 06:11 PM
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There're cycles within cycles. More than we knew:
www.esa.int/Applications/Observing_the_Earth/FutureEO/Swarm/Swarm_unveils_magnetic_waves_deep_down
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Swarm unveils magnetic waves deep down 23/05/2022
While volcanic eruptions and earthquakes serve as immediate reminders that Earth’s insides are anything but tranquil, there are also other, more elusive, dynamic processes happening deep down below our feet. Using information from ESA’s Swarm satellite mission, scientists have discovered a completely new type of magnetic wave that sweeps across the outermost part of Earth’s outer core every seven years. This fascinating finding, presented today at ESA’s Living Planet Symposium, opens a new window into a world we can never see.
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05-24-2022, 06:43 PM
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My hypothesis is that to understand completely the most simple thing in the universe would require complete understanding of all things in the universe.
Everything is the result of prior first causes.
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To get the right answers you need to start with the right questions.
I find grounding in Arthur M. Young's Reflexive Universe, and Fuller's Synergetics. Young is summarized here:
arthuryoung.com/books/the-reflexive-universe/
Light gives up degrees of freedom, until you get rocks, then a miracle happens and degrees of freedom are regained. Each level has seven sublevels, we're at a sub-seven level.
Also a teaser for his next book on Formal Expression for Control: Position and its Three Derivatives
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The Faber college motto was 'Knowledge is good."
If a rabbit hole goes over your head, that can't be a good thing, right?
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What's new in human understanding is the immediate conduit from the Heliosphere to Earth's surface via waves that propagate [from/to?] the Equator.
The comments on Slashdot support you.
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1) We're 'within' the heliosphere, so, when you say 'propagating from', where specifically are you talking about?
2) 'Waves' is too ambiguous. The Sun generates the entire electromagnetic spectrum, which can be represented either as photons or waves. Only a very small percentage of the overall energy can penetrate Earth's atmosphere. So we need specificity.
3) Any travel time is limited to the speed of light, so anything 'immediate' is automatically ruled out as a violation of physics. Nothing on Earth can be experienced any sooner than eight minutes from the time something occurs on the Sun.
4) Is what you're talking about limited to the Equator? And you understand that the position of the equator, with respect to the Sun, changes every day?
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protons.........happens
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Then there's all that too.
I like how global warming belivers can think that protons from a solar flare can hit the poles at 90%+ the speed of light and simply nothing happens.
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Perhaps you want to recalculate your velocity for protons. I believe you'll find that you're off by some orders of magnitude.
All who routinely observe the sky are acquainted with aurorae, a classic phenomena associated with plasma bombardment of the magnetosphere.
One example of something happening, which nullifies your argument.
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How would they know anything?
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1) We're 'within' the heliosphere, so, when you say 'propagating from', where specifically are you talking about?
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"to Earth's surface"
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2) 'Waves' is too ambiguous. The Sun generates the entire electromagnetic spectrum, which can be represented either as photons or waves. Only a very small percentage of the overall energy can penetrate Earth's atmosphere. So we need specificity.
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I had other plans for today.
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3) Any travel time is limited to the speed of light, so anything 'immediate' is automatically ruled out as a violation of physics. Nothing on Earth can be experienced any sooner than eight minutes from the time something occurs on the Sun.
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4) Is what you're talking about limited to the Equator? And you understand that the position of the equator, with respect to the Sun, changes every day?
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I'll have to get back to you on this one.
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