gsx r125

[fearlessjoe]

susuki say best econmy in its class.......


Intermot: All-new 2017 Suzuki GSX-R125 unleashed | MCN

cbr killer maybe....... like to know if anyone tries one... i dont think its even out yet though

[sendler]

Suzuki put a lot into the new 125. It will be interesting to see where the pricing ends up. It will never come to the USA though since Cali has a 150cc minimum displacement highway restriction. And small bikes just don't sell here. But most other countires have a tiered licensing system where all young riders are required to start out on a 125cc before they are allowed to move up to an A2 46hp bike
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https://rideapart.com/articles/2017-suzuki-gsx-r125
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https://youtu.be/wF7cUPwbQMk
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Tier standards
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https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ned-90006.html
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[sendler]

The Yamaha R15 is doing good numbers and should be similar in performance.
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[fearlessjoe]

probably for that exact reason, there is a gsxr 150 model as well i believe

[sendler]

USA won't get the 150 either. Canada doesn't list the R15 and doesn't even sell the CBR125R anymore since they gave them all away for $2100 after sitting for a year when the CBR250R came out. I wonder if some of the fuel economy advantage of the 125's listed on Fuelly is quite a bit from just a different usage since they will struggle to break 70 mph even if you full tuck. They probably never venture out onto the superhighways. I would still like to try one though. I went on a long trip last summer with a guy and his CBR150R. He was always surprised whenever we filled up and I was over 95mpgUS and he was at 75mpg. He had a pipe and a probably poorly done tune though. And my bike has a truncated tail and 15% longer gearing.
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[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by sendler

most other countires have a tiered licensing system where all young riders are required to start out on a 125cc before they are allowed to move up to an A2 46hp bike

IIRC some countries allow holders of a car license to ride a 125cc motorcycle, mostly in Europe. AFAIK the displacement restriction was either changed or abolished in Europe, even though in Australia there is a 660cc limit and also tied to another restriction based on the power-to-weight ratio. But it still seems more likely catering to Southeast Asian markets where low-displacement "racing replicas" became popular such as Thailand, Indonesia and India, and probably some African and Latin American countries (probably excluding Brazil where it would be perceived as too expensive compared to the local 125 to 160cc offerings from Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki, making something in the 250 to 300cc class sound more cost-effective).

[sendler]

Tiered licensing is still in place all over Europe and Australia and was recently modified to include the A2 class that allows 47hp or .2kW/kg. Which spawned the jump from 250cc to the new 300 class bikes which the R3 has 321cc in a block that can also be fit with 250cc pistons and crank for those markets that still demand a displacement restriction.
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https://www.autoevolution.com/news/m...ned-90006.html
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150cc air cooled, kick start bikes are still popular in India because they are so cheap.

[fearlessjoe]

uk bike rules are.... well on a cbt (compulsory basic training cirtificate.... which is a joke its so easy to get)

at 16 you can ride a 49cc

at 17 on a cbt 125cc at up to 11.5ish bhp i forget

with a licence you can ride 47 bhp at 19

with a licence you can ride anything at 24

but you can take the A2, 47bhp licance if your older... you can take it on a smaller bike and be limited, it used to be it became a full licance after 2 years.... dunno if it still is

you you can take an A1 licance thats like a cbt but you dont need l plates and you can go on motorways

the A licence is unlimited... you need to be 24 unless you passed the A2 at 19 then you can take it at 21

theres a few more rules i forget....... its confusing

because of cbt's 125's are everywhere here

[Grant-53]

It is amazing what a good aero package with a tail box can do.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by sendler

Tiered licensing is still in place all over Europe and Australia and was recently modified to include the A2 class that allows 47hp or .2kW/kg.

The system in Australia seems however to be simpler than in Europe.

the R3 has 321cc in a block that can also be fit with 250cc pistons and crank for those markets that still demand a displacement restriction.

At least in Japan, the 250cc limit is set for a tax break, while the limit for riders who don't have a full license is 400cc.

150cc air cooled, kick start bikes are still popular in India because they are so cheap.

125cc used to be the default here in Brazil until Honda introduced the CG 150 in 2004, but then it reintroduced the 125 a few years later in a very basic trim with kick-start only. Now it's switching from 150cc to 160cc with electric start only, while the 125 still has kick-start even though it's now fitted with EFI.