Guzzle and swim in it...

[Natalya]

Natural gas is also displacing coal. With natural gas electrical production and increases in wind and solar capacity, coal is not coming back. This thread reminds me of people lamenting that their horse and buggy lifestyle was being replaced by cars.

[sendler]

We are obviously nowhere near past peak oil. Maybe another 30-50 years to really start hurting down the other side. But it takes decades to build infrustructure to try to live without it. We need to use the current energy wealth and pull out all the stops now.
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ExplainingTheFuture.com : Peak Oil
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[acparker]

Coal is not dead. The coal industry may go dormant (we are still a long way from that), but the coal will still be there, at least 200 years of accessible reserves. Advances in underground coal gasification techniques could extend those reserves by several hundred years, by facilitating exploitation of deep coal and low coal.

While the source may change, the hydrocarbon fuel paradigm will likely be with us for a very, very long time.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by acparker

Coal is not dead. The coal industry may go dormant (we are still a long way from that), but the coal will still be there, at least 200 years of accessible reserves. Advances in underground coal gasification techniques could extend those reserves by several hundred years, by facilitating exploitation of deep coal and low coal.

While the source may change, the hydrocarbon fuel paradigm will likely be with us for a very, very long time.

I agree. Same thing with oil, every drop is going to come out at some point, by hook, crook, or all out war. I wonder if at some point we don't reduce usage so far that it actually matches how fast the earth produces it as nobody knows 100% the process. I also wonder what if we aren't even close to running out?
The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil

[Fat Charlie]

Wash, rinse, repeat. We use it a bit faster than it's made, though.

[Vman455]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

I agree. Same thing with oil, every drop is going to come out at some point, by hook, crook, or all out war. I wonder if at some point we don't reduce usage so far that it actually matches how fast the earth produces it as nobody knows 100% the process. I also wonder what if we aren't even close to running out?
The Mysterious Origin and Supply of Oil

2005? Stop living in the past, man!

Here's a 2011 article from the same source:

"Almost all geochemists believe petroleum results from a few million years of decay of once-living organisms.

'We can tell that by looking at biomarkers in the oils,' Kenneth Peters, an organic geochemist at Stanford University, told Life's Little Mysteries. 'Molecules in oil have the same backbone structures that we find in living organisms .'"

But, on a more serious note: we know how oil forms, we know under what conditions organic material will turn into petroleum vs natural gas and how long this takes, we know why and how it will form in reservoirs vs shale, we know how and why it appears where it does, and we know where to look for it. And, for geologists, all of this is so basic you cover it in a typical undergrad earth sciences course. So, it's not really fair to say that nobody knows 100% the process and act like it's this great mystery, because we do know 99% the process.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by Vman455

2005? Stop living in the past, man!

Here's a 2011 article from the same source:

"Almost all geochemists believe petroleum results from a few million years of decay of once-living organisms.

'We can tell that by looking at biomarkers in the oils,' Kenneth Peters, an organic geochemist at Stanford University, told Life's Little Mysteries. 'Molecules in oil have the same backbone structures that we find in living organisms .'"

But, on a more serious note: we know how oil forms, we know under what conditions organic material will turn into petroleum vs natural gas and how long this takes, we know why and how it will form in reservoirs vs shale, we know how and why it appears where it does, and we know where to look for it. And, for geologists, all of this is so basic you cover it in a typical undergrad earth sciences course. So, it's not really fair to say that nobody knows 100% the process and act like it's this great mystery, because we do know 99% the process.

You don't even know 5% of the process, but will put your faith in others and make claims of 99% that those who know the most wouldn't even claim. Now that's what I call faith in something.

So there was this conference with the top minds, nothing was resolved, but look at the final conclusions. Because the abiogenic origin model doesn't lead to being able to find oil in a specific place, the business of finding oil has little use for it. As it was said, "organic paradigm was a scientifically vulnerable industrial template acting like a tax on out-of-the-box thinking." Just because there is money in it doesn't make the theory any better scientifically then the other. The only thing that really explains it is both methods are in play, or neither and both are wrong.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...and_production

[slowmover]

Peak oil was 2005. Conventional crude. Now surrounded by "noise" (petroleum liquids and what not).

This "discovery" isn't news. Been talked about for years. More a political and technological thing.