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CURB WEIGHT for Hybrids & BEVs
This will be an addendum to the thread on 'Regeneration'. You'll find the Volvo XC40 'small' SUV BEV mid-pack.
Vehicle mass is a valuable vehicle parameter and deserves it's own thread that won't get buried in the clutter of another.
Please excuse the US units.
2288-Lb (1037.8-kg ) Peugeot Electric
2305-Lb (1045.5-kg ) GM Impact
2565-Lb (1163.4-kg ) Toyota Prius-C
2579-Lb (1169.8-kg ) Mitsubishi i-MiEV
2700-Lb (1224.6-kg ) Superformance MKIII-E Cobra roadster prototype
2723-Lb (1235.1- kg ) Tesla Roadster
2785-Lb (1263.2-kg ) Honda Insight-I
2866-Lb (1300-kg ) Chevrolet SPARK EV
2908-Lb (1319-kg) GM EV1 ( NiMH )
3033-Lb (1375.7-kg ) Toyota Prius Two Eco
3073-Lb (1393.8-kg ) Toyota Prius-III
3078-Lb (1396.1-kg ) Honda Insight-II Touring
3085-Lb (1399.3-kg ) Mini Cooper Electric
3086-Lb (1399.7-kg ) GM EV1 ( PbSo4 )
3087-Lb (1400.2-kg ) Toyota Prius
3117-Lb (1413.8-kg ) KIA NIRO Hybrid
3130-Lb (1419.7-kg ) Toyota Auris Hybrid (Euro-spec )
3205-Lb (1453.7-kg ) Toyota Prius Plug In
3365-Lb (1526.3-kg ) Toyota Prius-V
3445-Lb (1562.6-kg ) Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Limited
3494-Lb (1584.8- kg ) Nissan LEAF SV
3520-Lb (1596.6-kg ) Honda FIT EV
3543-Lb (1607-kg ) Chevrolet VOLT-I
3543-Lb (1607-kg ) Chevrolet VOLT-II
3580-Lb (1623.8-kg ) Chevrolet BOLT
3595-Lb (1630.6-kg ) Nissan LEAF
3607-Lb (1636.1-kg ) Ford C-MAX Hybrid
3700-Lb (1678.2-kg ) Chevrolet BOLT EUV
3720-Lb (1678.3-kg ) Ford Fusion Hybrid
3720-Lb (1687.3-kg ) Honda CR-V Hybrid Touring AWD
3723-Lb (1688.7-kg ) CODA EV
3850-Lb (1746.4-kg ) Tesla Model 3 Long Range
3858-Lb (1749.9-kg ) Mercedes-Benz EQXX concept
3866-Lb (1753.5-kg ) Ford C-MAX Energi
3919-Lb (1777.6-kg ) KIA NIRO EV
3950-Lb (1791.6-kg ) Toyota RAV4 Hybrid
3984-Lb (1871.1-kg ) KIA EV6 Normal Range RWD
4005-Lb (1816.6-kg ) Chevrolet VOLT-II
4050-Lb (1837-kg ) Toyota RAV4 EV
4255-Lb (1930-kg ) KIA EV6 Extended Range
4357-Lb (1976.2-kg ) Tesla Model Y Dual Motor Long Range
4398-Lb (1994.9-kg ) Porsche Panamera S Hybrid
4419-Lb (2004.4-kg ) Tesla Model Y
4450-Lb (2018.4-kg ) Canoo Pickup
4502-Lb (2042-kg ) KIA EV6 Extended Range AWD
4550-Lb (2063.8-kg ) Pininfarina Battista
4647-Lb (2107.8-kg ) Tesla Model S 70D
4650-Lb (2109.2-kg ) Tesla Model S
4659-Lb (2113.2-kg ) Volkswagen ID4
4693-Lb (2128.7-kg ) Polestar-2
4749-Lb (2154.1-kg ) Tesla Model S
4760-Lb (2159-kg ) Volvo XC40 Recharge
4784-Lb (2169.9-kg ) Jaguar I-Pace
4807-Lb (2180.4-kg ) FORD Mustang MACH-E
4810-Lb (2181.7-kg ) Lexus RX 450h
4816-Lb (2184.5-kg ) Tesla Model S Plaid
4980-Lb (2258.8-kg ) Ford Mustang MACH-E GT Performance Edition
5010-Lb (2272.4-kg ) Tesla Model S P85D
5050-Lb (2290.6-kg ) Lucid Air
5116-Lb (2320.5-kg ) Porsche Taycan 4S
5221-Lb (2368.2-kg ) Porsche Taycan Turbo S
5300-Lb (2404-kg ) Drako GTE
5300-Lb (2404-kg ) Fiskar Karma
5441-Lb (2467.9-kg ) Tesla Model X
5467-5853-Lb (2480-2655-kg ) M-B EQS
5500-Lb (2494.7-kg ) Audi e-tron
7143-Lb (3240-kg ) RIVIAN RT1
8976-Lb (4071.4-kg ) GMC HUMMER EV
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02-18-2022, 12:57 PM
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Are these a function of nofmal vehicle weight plus the battery penalty?
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Are these a function of nofmal vehicle weight plus the battery penalty?
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'Curb Weight' is a metric that's been used in the United States to describe the actual weight of the vehicle, as delivered from the manufacturer, without occupants or luggage.
It's been used as long as there's been automobiles sold.
There's no 'battery' penalty, or engine penalty, transmission, full-tank, or other.
And it's implied that this weight conventionally represents a 'full tank'.
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Actually asking if these were heavier than the fuel powered ditto which we could attribute to the battery and ancillary charge /control hardware.
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fuel-powered ditto
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Actually asking if these were heavier than the fuel powered ditto which we could attribute to the battery and ancillary charge /control hardware.
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Okay, thanks, now I'm on the same page.
Of course, some BEVs have no ICE ditto, like Tesla, Lucid, Drako, Rivian, Canoo, etc., but for the legacy carmakers, all the BEV variants are heavier than their ICE stablemates.
Hyundai/KIA sell 'em in multiple flavors: ICE, Hybrid, Plug-In Hybrid, and BEV.
Four different weights.
Engineering-wise, the additional mass of the pure electrics doesn't appear to be any liability.
That's the discussion.
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Just my 5 cents:
US Scion iM (ICE): 2943 lbs / 1335 kg.
EU Toyota Auris (HYBRID): 3130 lbs / 1420 kg
Both cars are identical and even have same 1.8 L engine.
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SCION / Toyota
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Just my 5 cents:
US Scion iM (ICE): 2943 lbs / 1335 kg.
EU Toyota Auris (HYBRID): 3130 lbs / 1420 kg
Both cars are identical and even have same 1.8 L engine.
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The difference of one passenger and half a piece of luggage. 
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Well then the 187 lb difference kinda accounts for a 8ish Kwh battery and a 50 lb motor. 50 lbs for a motor is kinda light and there wouldn't be chevy bolt style armour on the battery.
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Well then the 187 lb difference kinda accounts for a 8ish Kwh battery and a 50 lb motor. 50 lbs for a motor is kinda light and there wouldn't be chevy bolt style armour on the battery.
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Official data is that NiMH battery is 99 lbs, so transmission should be heavier (btw, there are 2 motors).
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187 lbs minus 99 lb battery is 88 lbs. Divide that by two for two motors AND you still get a motor that weighs less than 50lbs
While a 44lb motor is impressive, it isn't going to make a large amount of hp for long periods of time before something gets too hot
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