04-12-2011, 03:35 AM
|
#81 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Maui, Hawaii
Posts: 813
Thanks: 5
Thanked 34 Times in 26 Posts
|
Look at the article. They say that increasing hood angle reduces drag if it prevents separation. Bubble = separation.
|
|
|
Today
|
|
|
Other popular topics in this forum...
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 03:36 AM
|
#82 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Maui, Hawaii
Posts: 813
Thanks: 5
Thanked 34 Times in 26 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee
And don't call this thing a splitter, cuz a splitter divides flow and this ain't doing that.
|
The OP calls it a splitter, I'm just using his terminology
What should we call it, a lovely lady lump?
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 03:38 AM
|
#83 (permalink)
|
(:
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by winkosmosis
Look at the article. They say that increasing hood angle reduces drag if it prevents separation. Bubble = separation.
|
Separation at the FRONT of the hood! NOT where the bubble is.
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 03:39 AM
|
#84 (permalink)
|
(:
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by winkosmosis
The OP calls it a splitter, I'm just using his terminology
What should we call it, a lovely lady lump?
|
You can call it that if you wish. I was using "blister".
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 03:43 AM
|
#85 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Maui, Hawaii
Posts: 813
Thanks: 5
Thanked 34 Times in 26 Posts
|
The "bubble" by definition isn't as good as sheetmetal/glass. It's high pressure and that pressure is acting on the vehicle, applying rearward and downward force.
If you're saying the high pressure bubble isn't a source of drag, you might as well say the low pressure bubble at the back of a vehicle isn't a source of drag. So does that mean boattails are useless??
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 03:46 AM
|
#86 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Maui, Hawaii
Posts: 813
Thanks: 5
Thanked 34 Times in 26 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee
Separation at the FRONT of the hood! NOT where the bubble is.
|
The inclination of the engine hood also has an effect upon the drag. Fig 5.4, afterCarr, gives an example of this. Once the slope is steep enough to keep the flow attached, further sloping does not reduce drag any further. The ‘optimum’ slope angleF depending upon the leading edge radius and on the windscreen rake.
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 03:51 AM
|
#87 (permalink)
|
(:
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: up north
Posts: 12,762
Thanks: 1,585
Thanked 3,555 Times in 2,218 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by winkosmosis
The "bubble" by definition isn't as good as sheetmetal/glass. It's high pressure and that pressure is acting on the vehicle, applying rearward and downward force.
|
And those same forces aren't acting on "blisters"? Or even the comparable zone on, say, an Aptera?
Quote:
If you're saying the high pressure bubble isn't a source of drag, you might as well say the low pressure bubble at the back of a vehicle isn't a source of drag. So does that mean boattails are useless??
|
I think one ought to compare the sizes of those two entities before getting carried away.
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 04:09 AM
|
#88 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Maui, Hawaii
Posts: 813
Thanks: 5
Thanked 34 Times in 26 Posts
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Lee
And those same forces aren't acting on "blisters"? Or even the comparable zone on, say, an Aptera?
|
The blister can be shaped to optimally, the bubble is shaped according to the airflow and the pressure... like a raindrop, which people think is "teardrop" shaped, but in reality is not aerodynamic at all.
Quote:
I think one ought to compare the sizes of those two entities before getting carried away.
|
We know it's enough force to matter because cars designed to be as aerodynamic as possible have a shallow windshield and a steep hood to the point that they're nearly the same, eliminating any bubble.
20° average slope windshield
Last edited by winkosmosis; 04-12-2011 at 04:17 AM..
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 04:14 AM
|
#89 (permalink)
|
Master EcoModder
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Maui, Hawaii
Posts: 813
Thanks: 5
Thanked 34 Times in 26 Posts
|
The Civic looks like it even has a shallower windshield than rear window. Turns out it has a 25° windshield, 23° rear window by my measurements. They wouldn't spend that much on glass without reason, especially since the trend is toward making cars look like RWD sport sedans with long hoods and upright windshields.
Last edited by winkosmosis; 04-12-2011 at 04:29 AM..
|
|
|
04-12-2011, 03:52 PM
|
#90 (permalink)
|
Do more with less
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: North Eastern Missouri
Posts: 930
Thanks: 66
Thanked 177 Times in 112 Posts
|
Interesting comments.I should do some coast down tests. I imagine that measured top speed might be a good indication.
__________________
“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” George Orwell
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe.
The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed.”
– Noah Webster, 1787
|
|
|
|