Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Fossil Fuel Free
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-26-2019, 12:40 PM   #81 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vman455 View Post
Does the Prime include electricity consumption in its onboard fuel economy reporting?
Answer is NO.

I just drove the car from full to empty on battery power, and the fuel consumption stayed at zero until the gas engine fired up.

That said, it has a separate gauge for electricity efficiency. It doesnt combine them.

This was my first highway trip with the car. I babied it and went 46.7 km (29 miles) on the battery in less than ideal conditions: cool (9C = 48F), breezy & rainy. Back roads/scenic route cruising at a target speed of 75 km/h (47 mi.). Mostly cruise control, with some DWL on hills.

Total trip was 95 km, so just under half on electrons.

MPG gauge said 1.7 L/100 km = 138 mpg US at the end.


Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20190426_105603.jpg
Views:	222
Size:	29.8 KB
ID:	25793  
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 04-26-2019, 12:46 PM   #82 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
Oh, and that's with 1 mod in effect: I pumped up the tires to 50 before I left.
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2019, 08:21 PM   #83 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
I have seen the light!!




I drove it at night for the first time, and can confidently say this car has the best headlights I have ever had the pleasure to sit behind. Holy cow! The low beams are fantastic. The high beams are otherworldly. Sharp, bright, focused, white light. Who knew?



Generally I avoid driving at night if possible. Having lights like these could change that.



It makes driving the Metro/Firefly/Miata feel like they're equipped with candles behind glass. What can I retrofit on them?? Need moar candlepower!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	prius-lights.jpg
Views:	210
Size:	39.3 KB
ID:	25799  
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-29-2019, 10:13 PM   #84 (permalink)
Moderator
 
Vman455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Urbana, IL
Posts: 1,939

Pope Pious the Prius - '13 Toyota Prius Two
Team Toyota
SUV
90 day: 51.62 mpg (US)

Tycho the Truck - '91 Toyota Pickup DLX 4WD
90 day: 22.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 199
Thanked 1,806 Times in 942 Posts
And they're quads, upping the cool factor!

I've got factory quads on my car now--I bought a set of OEM LED headlights, which have two projectors each side for the low beams instead of the single projector I had retrofitted before. Double the fun.
__________________
UIUC Aerospace Engineering
www.amateuraerodynamics.com
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Vman455 For This Useful Post:
MetroMPG (04-29-2019)
Old 04-30-2019, 12:34 PM   #85 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
gas MPG beats my modded Metro 1.0L




Fun MPG anecdote!

I had a chance to drive both cars over the same route over the weekend: Similar ambient temperatures, but weather conditions were actually worse for the Prius (drizzle, wet/damp roads, breezy).

On gas, the Prius reported 3.0 L/100 km = 78 mpg US over ~95 km.

That's driving with load (DWL), most of the time on cruise control, on the back roads/scenic route, with cruise set at 75 km/h (47 mph) most of the time.

In the Metro, I only managed 3.3 L/100 km = 70.5 mpg at similar speeds.

The Metro's ScanGauge is calibrated pretty accurately. I don't know how accurate the Prius' factory gauge is, but even if it's off by 10%, it would still be even with the Metro, in worse conditions.

Amazing, considering the only mod on the Prius is 50 psi, and the Metro has bags of mods on it.

Even more amazing considering the difference between the 2 cars in comfort, quiet, power, convenience features, safety features, etc., etc.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Prius-Metro.jpg
Views:	209
Size:	42.3 KB
ID:	25805  
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
Daox (05-01-2019), niky (05-07-2019), redpoint5 (04-30-2019), roflwaffle (05-01-2019)
Old 04-30-2019, 10:32 PM   #86 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
mpg_numbers_guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: VA
Posts: 1,372

Toby - '13 Toyota Prius C
Team Toyota
90 day: 63.99 mpg (US)

Daz - '15 Mazda 3 iTouring w/ Tech Package
Team Mazda
90 day: 38.2 mpg (US)
Thanks: 324
Thanked 483 Times in 368 Posts
Did the Prius start out with a full battery? How full was the battery before vs. after? Those numbers seem a bit high for the Prius - maybe while the battery is full the car will be more generous with the battery and make the car appear more efficient than it is.
__________________
2013 Toyota Prius C 2 (my car)


2015 Mazda 3 iTouring Hatchback w/ Tech Package (wife's car)
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-01-2019, 11:02 PM   #87 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
The EV-only portion of the battery was depleted. The ICE fired as soon as the distance to empty on the EV ranve gauge hit zero.
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2019, 11:02 AM   #88 (permalink)
Moderator
 
Vman455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Urbana, IL
Posts: 1,939

Pope Pious the Prius - '13 Toyota Prius Two
Team Toyota
SUV
90 day: 51.62 mpg (US)

Tycho the Truck - '91 Toyota Pickup DLX 4WD
90 day: 22.22 mpg (US)
Thanks: 199
Thanked 1,806 Times in 942 Posts
Another question, if you noticed: once the EV range is depleted, will the Prime turn its engine off up to 84 mph, or does it then default to the non-plug-in's 62 mph engine-on? (If you ever went that fast on this loop!).
__________________
UIUC Aerospace Engineering
www.amateuraerodynamics.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2019, 11:10 AM   #89 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 22,534

Blackfly - '98 Geo Metro
Team Metro
Last 3: 70.09 mpg (US)

MPGiata - '90 Mazda Miata
90 day: 54.46 mpg (US)

Appliance car Mirage - '14 Mitsubishi Mirage ES (base)
90 day: 57.73 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,082
Thanked 6,979 Times in 3,614 Posts
Sorry - I didn't get going that fast on this trip.

One thing I noticed is even on the highway, this car spends a lot more time engine-off than my 2004 Prius did, which I think spun the engine (whether using fuel or not) at anything higher than around 46 mph, if memory serves.
__________________
Project MPGiata! Mods for getting 50+ MPG from a 1990 Miata
Honda mods: Ecomodding my $800 Honda Fit 5-speed beater
Mitsu mods: 70 MPG in my ecomodded, dirt cheap, 3-cylinder Mirage.
Ecodriving test: Manual vs. automatic transmission MPG showdown



EcoModder
has launched a forum for the efficient new Mitsubishi Mirage
www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to MetroMPG For This Useful Post:
Vman455 (05-04-2019)
Old 05-02-2019, 01:03 PM   #90 (permalink)
Human Environmentalist
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,821

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 24.19 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - CBR600 - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - Dodge/Cummins - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Chevy ZR-2 - '03 Chevrolet S10 ZR2
90 day: 17.14 mpg (US)

Model Y - '24 Tesla Y LR AWD

Pacifica Hybrid - '21 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid
90 day: 43.3 mpg (US)
Thanks: 4,327
Thanked 4,481 Times in 3,446 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vman455 View Post
Another question, if you noticed: once the EV range is depleted, will the Prime turn its engine off up to 84 mph, or does it then default to the non-plug-in's 62 mph engine-on? (If you ever went that fast on this loop!).
I doubt it. My Gen III plug-in will shut the engine off below 44 MPH when the EV range is depleted as long as there is sufficient battery charge and not much power is needed. The engine comes on above those speeds regardless. With a full EV battery, the car will go up to 62 MPH with the engine off.

At 84 MPH, the power requirements great enough that running the engine is efficient.

I would be curious what the max speed on the Prime is to shut off the engine when the EV range is depleted.

__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread






Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com