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Old 02-13-2008, 12:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Venezuela arguements and possible oil problems was front page news here, soon forgotten. I have no idea what it will take to get people off excessive oil use, but I can smile waiting to see the next chapter unfold on my HP trike.

Sure hope this spat doesn't get ugly, or drastically affect lifestyles.

Interestingly: I was reading the csMoniter between 1977 to 1980 and enjoyed their articles on 3--wheel mopeds and alternative vehicles even then!

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Old 02-13-2008, 10:06 AM   #12 (permalink)
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In fact, I'm betting a lot of my dough that oil demand will greatly exceed supply in the next 10 years. The higher the oil prices, the younger I'll stop working.

On a side note, I gotta say, even though republicans historically got along with Canada better than democrats, economically speaking, please, don't screw up this time. We want change too up here.
That's what the CEO of shell stated so your not alone. I think you could probably also change the thread to impending fuel and food price surge.
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Sure hope this spat doesn't get ugly, or drastically affect lifestyles.
Lifestyles will HAVE to drastically change, sooner or later.

I think, the sooner the better.
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Lifestyles will HAVE to drastically change, sooner or later.

I think, the sooner the better.
I hope attitudes can change and people don't starve as a result of the big games these boys play. But then again, I'm too much of a dreamer for a capitalist society.
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In thinking about it, it's already too late for "sooner" as major fundamental changes should have been made over 30 years ago.

In looking around, it appears very few are in any danger of "starving".
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GenKreton -

The 1973 oil embargo ushered in the Japanese econobox era, so I see this as more of the same. From my POV, the scary difference is that the USA was in much better economic shape to "weather the storm". For example, back then we were the largest creditor nation in the world. Today we're the largest debtor nation in the world.

Here's an ironic twist from B911 cheap-oil year of 1998. Happy Anniversary !!! :

25th Anniversary of the 1973 Oil Embargo
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/25opec/anniversary.html
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This marks the 25th anniversary of the energy crisis of 1973, in some ways the most pivotal year in energy history. Anniversaries are often a time of reflection. In this spirit, the Energy Information Administration presents here 30 major energy trends in the United States over this period. Taken as a whole, these measures provide a picture of how this country has responded to the crisis a quarter century ago. Through 1972, Americans had become accustomed to expanding energy consumption with minimal concerns about the constancy of supply or sharp price escalations. In 1973, however, expectations about energy supply changed dramatically. ...
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We started to make the changes 30 years ago, but we got lazy and didn't follow through.


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Old 02-13-2008, 04:46 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Meh... I've been saying it for awhile.... If we don't regulate ourselves - nature has no problems doing it for us... But when nature does it, it's not a pleasant experience.
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GenKreton -

The 1973 oil embargo ushered in the Japanese econobox era, so I see this as more of the same. From my POV, the scary difference is that the USA was in much better economic shape to "weather the storm". For example, back then we were the largest creditor nation in the world. Today we're the largest debtor nation in the world

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Back then we also had manufacturing inside the country. I have this nagging feeling the fact we can't produce a lot of essentials that we used to could bite us hard, too.
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This is a good time to be doing what we are doing. Getting cars more efficient, off gasoline, and even learning to use our own strength again.
I went very much into Human Power Vehicles; hybrids in 1980 using a front wheel "scrub" motor on the tire.. Partly in response to the 1974 oil problems.

Fast forward to now: hybrids and electric bikes are being "re-discovered".

I am in a time-warp of the enjoyable kind

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Old 02-16-2008, 02:52 AM   #20 (permalink)
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it took how long for nature to make all the coal and oil.

and we are going to burn it all up in how long.

looks like there is way more fossil fuel than mankind needed. (past tense)

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