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TestDrive 02-14-2009 03:15 PM

Index of Phil Knox Aerodynamics Seminars & Mod-data lists
 
Over a periods of months, Phil Knox (aerohead) posted:
  • A series of brief Aerodynamics/Aero-mod Seminars :)
  • A series of Lists of Cd change for various mods. :)
Unfortunately, the thread titles weren't a 100% consistent, so it's not 100% convenient to track them all down. :(
Here are links to the ones I've found. (If you have links to other's please let me know.)

Aerodynamics Seminars:
  1. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea....html#post7289
  2. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea....html#post7295
  3. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea....html#post7299
  4. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...01Aerodynamics
  5. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea....html#post7307
  6. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea....html#post7471

Mod-data Lists: The Relative Value of Various Aero-Mods
  1. Papers Quantifying "the difference between drag contributions for all body elements."
    Not a thread
    post #15 in the list-aero-mods-you-can-do-your-vehicle STICKY
  2. Data for Nose Jobs and Hood/Cowl"]Mods-data: Nose Jobs and Hood/Cowl
    Not a thread
    posts #23 & #24 in the list-aero-mods-you-can-do-your-vehicle STICKY
  3. Mods-data: Surface Drag
  4. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post28158
  5. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post28176
  6. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post29811
  7. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post29996
  8. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post30007
  9. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post32424
  10. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post32440
  11. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post39302

Large Truck Aerodynamics:
  1. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post88918
  2. http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post88931

Other Aerodynamics:

MetroMPG 02-14-2009 03:38 PM

TestDrive - THANKS for putting this together. Great idea.

I'm going to add your index to each of the seminars to make them easier to navigate through as a package.

TestDrive 02-14-2009 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 87803)
I'm going to add your index to each of the seminars tp make them easier to navigate through as a package. Right now.

Cool.
Much better than having the list in yet another thread. :thumbup:

Would be cooler still, if there were a tool to automate it.
Eg. Suppose that a week from now Phil decides to add yet another seminar to the series. Wouldn't it be cool if there were an "Add a Chapter" button that would start a new thread and update the list in all of the threads.

Of course it would most like be a nightmare to implement (if not just plain impossible), so not really a request. Just chasing rainbows. Sigh.

MetroMPG 02-14-2009 04:16 PM

The forum isn't really designed to work like that, unfortunately...

But a workaround would be if Phil came back to THIS thread to remind us/me to update the index if he posts something new that should be in it.

MetroMPG 02-14-2009 04:49 PM

Changed my mind: in the event the index gets updated/expanded, it's better to link from the individual articles back here. Otherwise, I need to update every article's index each time a change is made. More work = bad.

So I've added a prominent up-top link to this index in each installment.

TestDrive 02-14-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 87817)
Otherwise, I need to update every article's index each time a change is made. More work = bad.

So I'm added a prominent up-top link to this index in each installment.

Easier to maintain - and very nearly as convinent.

Seems I've conflated the seminars with his mod-data lists.
Will edit the OP so there are two lists.
Anyway to edit this thread's title???

MetroMPG 02-14-2009 06:58 PM

Looking better and better. I've updated the thread title and made it a sticky. Look good?

And because I'm the type of person who takes a ridiculously long time to pack stuff in newspaper (because I find myself reading instead of packing), I also just re-read (and cleaned up formatting in some of) Phil's posts.

What a wealth of data - thanks, Phil! I knew it was good stuff as I was seeing the bits and pieces as they were posted, but collectively it's a fantastic resource and the index makes it way more accessible. Nice, nice, nice.

TestDrive 02-14-2009 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 87827)
What a wealth of data - thanks, Phil! I knew it was good stuff as I was seeing the bits and pieces as they were posted, but collectively it's a fantastic resource

Sure wish I could track down the first two mod-data threads. Tried every way I could think of, but nothing gets me there.

If you read this Phil, do you have any idea when you posted those? Or the thread title or anything?

In any case thanks again for all of the work you put into those posts. They are a great resource.

aerohead 02-28-2009 03:43 PM

where?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TestDrive (Post 87831)
Sure wish I could track down the first two mod-data threads. Tried every way I could think of, but nothing gets me there.

If you read this Phil, do you have any idea when you posted those? Or the thread title or anything?

In any case thanks again for all of the work you put into those posts. They are a great resource.

I'll root around and see if I can find 'em.I appreciate everyone watching my back! As new members come on board,it's hard to acquaint them with things buried deep in past pages.What you all are doing will really help get everyone on the same page sooner.Super-big thumbs-up!

aerohead 02-28-2009 04:01 PM

I think I found them
 
I went into the second sticky and I think it's page 2,Randy the hack asked for a breakdown on aero mods.The first two aero- mod installments follow his request but I didn't number them.One is for "hood/cowl",let me chck on the first,I've already forgot.Don't get old! Let me check it again.

aerohead 02-28-2009 04:17 PM

yep,found 'em
 
I went into the 2nd Sticky: List of aero--------------------- On page 1,#15 post,I gave Randy a "aero mod list : benefit breakdown ,listing some source materials that could be studied.---------------------------------------------------------------- On page 2 of the same Sticky,#3 post on that page,I posted "modifications-data-% change,or Cd change ( nose-jobs )".This would be aero-mods #1--------------------------------------------------------------------- On the same page at the #4 post location,I did "mods-data-Cd reduction ( hood / cowl )". That would be aero-mods #2.------------------------------------- People weren't looking at the stickys so I posted the other installments as new threads where people would see 'em better.------------------ Sorry for the helter-skelter nature of it all.

TestDrive 02-28-2009 07:34 PM

Replaced the two place holder entries with links to the posts in the sticky.
Thanks for the thumbs up Phil.
Sorry, you're too late with the don't get old advice. ;)

shorttimer 07-21-2011 01:14 AM

Thanks Aerohead. Everyone on here benefits from your input and insight.

Mandilon 09-19-2014 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TestDrive (Post 87805)
Cool.
Much better than having the list in yet another thread. :thumbup:

Would be cooler still, if there were a tool to automate it.
Eg. Suppose that a week from now Phil decides to add yet another seminar to the series. Wouldn't it be cool if there were an "Add a Chapter" button that would start a new thread and update the list in all of the threads.

Of course it would most like be a nightmare to implement (if not just plain impossible), so not really a request. Just chasing rainbows. Sigh.

....not really. With PHP programming it's a given.

kach22i 09-23-2021 05:10 AM

A2 Wind Tunnel
https://www.facebook.com/a2windtunnel/
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632387494.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632387494.jpg
Quote:

Had a great test with Iron Dinosaur Racing and Avid Speed today! Very cool car! Good luck breaking the record boys!
Iron Dinosaur Racing
https://www.facebook.com/irondinosaurracing/
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632387738.jpg

https://www.existentialbiker.com/blo...-dreams-part-2
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kach22i 09-23-2021 05:15 AM

El Mirage Land Speed Races
https://www.oldcustomcars.com/blog/e...ll-about-speed
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632388453.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632388453.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1632388453.jpg

aerohead 09-24-2021 11:00 AM

Iron Dinosaur Racing
 
My immediate impression of this car is, that the sharp-edged flanks of the 'lakester' would easily lend themselves to a rapid conversion to 'streamliner' class with pre-fabricated add-ons attached in the pits.
We know from Mercedes-Benz' 1958 Grand Prix racer, that the added frontal area of 'enclosing' the wheels is more than compensated by the drag reduction of enclosing the wheels, netting an overall drag reduction.:thumbup:

Cd 11-16-2022 09:21 AM

Hey Aerohead, where can I find pictures of your front wheel covers ?
It appears as though they don't have rollers like the AeroCivic has, and I was wondering if they just rub up against the tires.

aerohead 11-17-2022 10:30 AM

skirt pictures
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cd (Post 676920)
Hey Aerohead, where can I find pictures of your front wheel covers ?
It appears as though they don't have rollers like the AeroCivic has, and I was wondering if they just rub up against the tires.

You might just look at the video: ' Streamlined Toyota T-100 in the wind tunnel.'
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* The skirts are piano-hinged from the top.
* A flat aluminum bar stock superstructure provides the hard points to support a single Harbor Freight Tools roller which contacts the tire surface during wheel-flop.
* Skinned in aluminum sheet.
* ACE Hardware tension springs spanning to the wheelhouse inner wall help keep the skirts stowed closed. ( it's not a very good design, as they are known to 'fly' open in winds ).
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
These rollers weren't designed for high-rpms, their bearings are 'dry' and 'open' and 'fail' within a relatively short timeframe.
I'm replacing the rollers with inline skate wheels which have precision bearings, and are weatherproof.
And the 'spring' system is to be replaced by the cable- gravity, drop-weight, elevator system I used on the gap-filled tadpole trailer invention.

Cd 11-19-2022 07:37 AM

Phil, that sounds like a great idea for the covers. Unfortunately, the video does not show how rhe covers function.
I'll try and find the link to your photo album.
I like how low profile that your covers are in comparison to the AeroCivic design.
They look as though they have less frontal area.
I'll throw a stupid question at you : What would happen if a cover just had a slick surface ( aluminum sheet covered in car wax ) to rub against the tire instead of wheels ?
It seems to me that the wheels are not moving very fast when a turn is sharp enough to mske contact.
Still, any amount of friction could be dangerous on a tire.
I know of only one other low profile design on a front wheel cover. It was that cover on a Saturn SC2 from several years ago.
( I think I asked him about this very thing, so I'll look through his thread and see how he designed his covers )

freebeard 11-19-2022 11:37 AM

Consider this:

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...2-11-13-05.png
(I could ddo better today, but I need a new monitor for that machine. The mid-1990s screen died)

A Watts four-bar linkage instead of a hinge at the top. It would move in an arc, requiring more of it's weight be lifted, and it would move half as far to provide clearance.

The top two bars are connected to resist racking on the four mounting points.

aerohead 11-21-2022 09:57 AM

' 4-bar'
 
It's WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than what I did.
And it was my original intent until I realized how bad our roads are, and how the shock-loading on the 'more massive than I'd really like' mechanism would probably succumb to the World Pothole Federation 'Smack-Down'.


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