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Old 12-25-2021, 10:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Finally EQS Arrived to mb Dusseldorf shop. Made a video of the aero tweaks in the car https://youtu.be/Y7xW5wdVteU

Measurements from pictures were pretty accurate.

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Old 12-26-2021, 11:10 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 12-27-2021, 10:46 AM   #33 (permalink)
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This car has a .20 cD.
So the Mercedes matches it ( not counting the frontal area of course ! )


According to Elliott G. Reid's research at Stanford, simply adding plan-taper to the Abarth's body would give it a shot at Cd 0.168 ( 2006 Daihatsu UFE-III ).
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Increase the height to accommodate four occupants and you'd have the Volkhart-Sagitta V2.
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EQS, Model S Plaid, and Lucid Air

I compared the bar-graph of the three cars and a few others ( length/ square-root of frontal area ):
* 3.2923 for EQS @ Cd 0.20
* 3.2532 for Lucid @ Cd 0.20
* 3.2572 for Plaid @ Cd 0.208
* 3.3243 for Lightyear One @ Cd 0.20
* 3.36612 for LOREMO @ Cd 0.20
* 3.1069 for EV1 @ Cd 0.197
* 3.0427 for VW L1 @ Cd 0.195
* 3.1318 for Ultralite @ Cd 0.192
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I compared the bar-graph of the three cars and a few others ( length/ square-root of frontal area ):
* 3.2923 for EQS @ Cd 0.20
* 3.2532 for Lucid @ Cd 0.20
* 3.2572 for Plaid @ Cd 0.208
* 3.3243 for Lightyear One @ Cd 0.20
* 3.36612 for LOREMO @ Cd 0.20
* 3.1069 for EV1 @ Cd 0.197
* 3.0427 for VW L1 @ Cd 0.195
* 3.1318 for Ultralite @ Cd 0.192
Looks like 0.20 is an absolute limit for a classic 5-seat car.
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Cd 0.20

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Looks like 0.20 is an absolute limit for a classic 5-seat car.
*They look 'normal' enough that they probably won't scare older customers off.
* One thought about Cd though. The 1993 EV1 land speed record car had Cd 0.137 as raced.
* With active suspension and Fachsenfeld's extensible tail from 1935, any Cd 0.20 car might be coaxed down to sub- 0.14.
* Wolf Heinrich Hucho mentioned in 1986 that, we already had the technical feasibility for Cd 0.09.
* To fast-track electrification of transportation, these lower highway Cds would really help extending battery range and market penetration.
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EQS roofline

Mercedes provides a multi-view technical drawing of the EQS. I printed it out and did some contour comparisons.
Scott Evans, of MOTOR TREND had commented that, the EQS was ' aimed squarely at the Tesla Model S in size and range.'
On the light table, the EQS rear roofline was a close match to the:
Tesla Model S
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Cd 0.18

Great! M-B has caught up with itself from 1997, and they're not ashamed this time.

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